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Bedrock of the Community
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Thanks BH. Your comments are always helpful. Thx Coinfrog and Debrajc.
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.comEdited by numismatic student
02/18/2017 6:03 pm
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 I just love these. if they could talk... the stories they could tell.  |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Didn't realize this until now, but the 1833 Capped Bust quarter had the lowest mintage out of all the reduced size type quarters that for the first time were struck in a collar (1831-1838). Mintage was 156,000, whereas the 1835 quarter had a mintage of 1,952,000, the largest mintage for the collared type. It still doesn't seem like a lot of coins. Pretty cool. But the price difference between a 1933 CBQ and a 1935 CBQ in AU50 is $120 or a 15% premium. Even though the mintage of the '35 is 12.5 times that of the '33. Part of it might be because the 1827 quarter had a mintage of 4,000 and the 1823 had a mintage of 17,800 and the collarless early CBQs (1815-1828) tend to suck all the wind out of the room.  IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.comEdited by numismatic student
02/18/2017 9:10 pm
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United States
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4. There may be some environmental damage.  Which TPG graded this coin? |
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Bedrock of the Community
Canada
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For the grade, I would think EF-45.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
11911 Posts |
Old ANACS. White label holder with barcode.
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.comEdited by numismatic student
02/19/2017 01:13 am
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United States
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Thanks folks. Would it be worth it to try to cross this to PCGS? I kind of like it in the old ANACS holder.  IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.comEdited by numismatic student
02/19/2017 7:44 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Would it be worth it to try to cross this to PCGS? It depends on your goals. You may need to go down to XF40 on a PCGS cross and certainly should not specify higher than 45 because the odds of it crossing at 50 are slim. NGC would be a better bet to get a straight cross because they tend to be less luster/eye appeal dependent (more of a technical TPG IMO) than PCGS. The old ANACS holders are nice and I'd be inclined to leave it as is. |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Thanks BH. I will give it some thought when I have examined it in hand. It seems to me like pre-Civil War coins tend to be over-graded by PCGS. I don't think I would be interested in crossing it to a lower grade. There are some very experienced long-time dealers in my coin club so I think I will get a few more in-hand opinions. I feel like I am surrounded by numismatic talent these days, which to me feels like disney world.
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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United States
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I would leave it alone. AU-50 is generous with this one IMO. All 1833s show the lumps by the date. The die was rusted. Nice coin!
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
11911 Posts |
Gerry Fortin has a 1833 CBQ graded AU50 by PCGS for sale at $1,200 on his website. He says his example was struck with dies without rust to justify his lofty sale price.
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
11911 Posts |
Would appreciate your thoughts on whether you think this coin or the 1835 CBQ linked below is the one with a higher grade. Thanks! http://goccf.com/t/281423IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
11911 Posts |
Received this today. Looks just as advertised -- no surprises. Still concerned about what looks like a drop of solder between the "U" and "N" in UNITED in the reverse. Almost looks like a plug, which, if true, would be bad news for me. These are my pictures.   IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.comEdited by numismatic student
02/23/2017 7:37 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2125 Posts |
Not a fan of the toning. But 450.00 seems like a good price.
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