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Thanks all for your opinions!
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I say a 64. I have many PCGS MS 64's that look nicer than your coin and ANACS will not grade a 65.
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The obverse does not look 65 in these images. The fingerprint and disturbances in the lower left obverse hold it to 64 IMO. 1881-S pieces are often expected to be pristine at the gem level because so many of them are pristine and that hurts too.
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Not 65.....64 tops,just not enough blaze or luster for 65.
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The obverse does not look 65 in these images. The fingerprint and disturbances in the lower left obverse hold it to 64 IMO. 1881-S pieces are often expected to be pristine at the gem level because so many of them are pristine and that hurts too. So coins are graded on proportion now? So if coin A has 200 in MS-65 and coin B has 20, what would qualify as an MS-65 for coin B would be an MS-64 for coin A? That is starting to be the case for early US coins. Apparently there are not enough true MS capped bust halves, so they are bumped from AU to MS. Now if a common-date Morgan has the slightest bit of wear, it gets AU-55 because there are too many MS coins. A Barber half with the same amount of wear would get AU-58 or higher because there are not enough true AU-58's. If this was an 1893 S, it would be an easy MS-65/66. This makes no sense. What gives? Where is the consistency? |
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Of course TPGs are swayed by market forces. There are no perfectly objective and consistent coin graders, just like there are no perfectly objective and consistent judges. We are human and reality is complex.
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I must be old school, because a grade is a grade regardless of what type or date the coin is. I see a grade as a technical observation and then there is eye appeal. IMHO. John1  |
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This makes no sense. What gives? Where is the consistency? The lower half of the obverse is the prime focal area for Morgans and that area does not look like a MS65 to me. If it were in a MS65 holder (and it certainly could be) I would say it is low end for the grade. 1881-S Morgans are common at the gem level and above; that being the case many collectors paying 65 money have numerous solid gem pieces to choose from. I did not mean to imply that 1881-S Morgans are held to a higher standard per se. |
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The eye appeal on this one is just a bit too iffy to make 65.
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