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Pillar of the Community
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It depends on what the coin looks like, the color of the toning, etc., etc. But for the majority of the time, Yes.
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I'm a fan of toning, so, yes. Although, I also love original blast white Morgans. Actually, I just like Morgans!
Too bad I can't afford many of them.
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Bill is spot on as usual. You have to understand that currently toned morgans command a premium. As long as that premium exists there will be coin doctors looking to capture it. Back in the 1960's, blast white was preferred so many coins were polished and harshly cleaned. That look obviously is no longer in favor. Imagine how much money was lost by those who purchased those blast white coins. Fast forward to today. What happens if these doctored rainbow Morgans fall out of favor 10 years from now. How much money will you lose?
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03/05/2017 10:57 pm
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Tarnish!  |
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Cascade! Are you saying that you don't like toning on Morgans? You have even called toning by it's evil name..... tarnish.And too support what Cascade has just said, look at his avatar.  |
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One man's toning is another man's (or woman's) tarnish. I've seen a lot of pictures posted on the blogs of Morgan dollars that people claim have "beautiful toning." Most of them don't have clue. The toning people pay huge premiums for has very bright, sometimes neon type colors. Some it is artificial, but if it gets into a PCGS or NGC holder (especially PCGS these days) it's wonderful!! and people pay sometimes excessive amounts for it. The dollar can be and often is a very common date, but that doesn't mattter. |
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Quote:One man's toning is another man's (or woman's) tarnish. I've seen a lot of pictures posted on the blogs of Morgan dollars that people claim have "beautiful toning." Most of them don't have clue. The toning people pay huge premiums for has very bright, sometimes neon type colors. Some it is artificial, but if it gets into a PCGS or NGC holder (especially PCGS these days) it's wonderful!! and people pay sometimes excessive amounts for it. The dollar can be and often is a very common date, but that doesn't matter. Natural Tone or AT ~~ for some collectors the tone is in the eyes of the beholder. The price they pay is the degree of desire for tone.  |
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Toning can either be market acceptable or not. Just look at some of the completed sales on ebay and there you will find the answer. |
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here is why there is no simple yes or answer, both coins are toned. not my pictures   |
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I think what people are getting at is there is definitely a market segment that likes toning. They are probably even a little fanatical about it. But understanding what types of toning deserves a premium, and how much of a premium, is tricky. Not only that, but certain dates are much more common to have beautiful toning than other dates, which affects the premium as well. What may be very pretty, but nothing special for the date on an '81-S would be extraordinary on an '86-S. Have fun, but be careful, and definitely avoid raw or lower tier grading companies until you're very, very confident in your ability to determine what the market considers artificial toning (never mind the typical caution to counterfeit or problem coins). An amazing guide on toned Morgan dollars, in case you aren't aware, is available here (it also has some amazing eye candy!): http://www.jhonecash.com/coins/tonedmorgans.aspHopefully that helps, but there really isn't any way to keep it "simple" with toning, at least if you're going to want to collect toned coins. |
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The response by PAC leads to a couple of more questions I have. I have noticed that certain dates seem to have more toned examples than others. Why is that? Also, though some may disagree, it seems to me that dollars that are toned on one side are probably 75% of the time toned on the obverse. Both of these observations (if true) seem to point to artificial toning going on. One other thing....what constitutes artificial toning? If I expose a dollar intentionally to an environment that causes toning overnight I would assume that is artificial toning. What if it takes a year? Five years? What if I expose the coin unintentionally? Is it the intent or the time frame that makes a coin artificially toned. I'll stop now.
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Quote:
One other thing....what constitutes artificial toning? If I expose a dollar intentionally to an environment that causes toning overnight I would assume that is artificial toning. What if it takes a year? Five years? What if I expose the coin unintentionally? Is it the intent or the time frame that makes a coin artificially toned. I'll stop now. This is why I agree with BadThad that terming toning as natural or artificial is inadequate. It is better to look at the toning as market acceptable or not. A toned coin either has buyers, or it does not. |
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Yes, I think we discussed this in the toning project thread; AT has many many definitions, almost as many as people! Some people say its imtent, others feel that its the method. Personally I agree with someone who said 'a foreign substance must come into contact with the coin' however I might add 'if unrealistic heat was applied'.
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Posted 03/05/2017 10:19 pm
