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2014 P&d SP-69 50 Anniversary Kennedy Half Set. ** First Strike **

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 Posted 03/06/2017  11:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CelticKnot to your friends list
Not to get your hopes up, but...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2014-P-D-Ke...AOSwcUBYH6Lm

Now THAT'S an insane ask price.

I could be wrong on these, now that I have done a little research. 69s may be worth some money. I'm seeing sold prices for 69 sets from $70 to $125. So if you only paid $25, you may have scored a great deal.
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 Posted 03/07/2017  12:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jbedwell to your friends list
I agree with you, that price is not realistic. I found one similar to what I have and they are also asking an insane price. That is why I am so lost on this set.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2014-P-amp-...262579645496

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 Posted 03/07/2017  01:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GateKeep to your friends list
When searching ebay sales for comps, look at completed sales rather than ask prices. Asks can be all over the place, but actual sales tend to normalize a bit more.

That set is pretty common in OGP for around $15-25. I haven't seen very many graded as you might imagine given the costs of grading. Try searching for "High relief" and "Satin" too, as that differentiates this set from standard business strokes of the same year.

I tend not to put a lot of stock in high ANACS grades when this set is more often in the 66-67 range from other TPAs. I can't really make out enough detail in the pics to be too comfortable with their 69.

At SP69 I'd put it at $30-40 safely if they were PCGS or NGC slabs. ebay being ebay there's some sets of these that've sold for $60-70 for no apparent reason but I wouldn't expect that from an ANACS stabbed set. In any case, I think you did well at $25 either way. With recent Kennedy's grade doesn't really affect things much. High grades are the rule rather than the exception; raw coins seem to sometimes sell for more even, I guess because lots of Kennedy collectors prefer albums. I've actually been considering buying spanned 65s, cracking them and reselling them raw. I honestly think that'd be a money making proposition; people who want slagged Kennedy's seem to want 70s or nothing... it's kind of odd.
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 Posted 03/07/2017  07:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Debrajc to your friends list
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This is a nice and affordable pair.
I think the original price from the mint was somewhere between $10 - $15 for the P & D set.
A graded pair at $25 is a good pick up. The listings posted above are INSANE prices for sure.
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 Posted 03/07/2017  07:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BStrauss3 to your friends list
There were more slabbed than you might think, because of the 4 coin silver set and the gold coin - as well as regular business strikes. So if you want to put together the 6 or 7 or 11 coins in similar slabs...

First strike is a meaningless term. Each TPG decides on their own criteria, but generally it means the TPG received the coin to be graded within a short time of the initial release. It's a pretend designation of some how an 'early' coin. But the way the mint works, they pre-strike (using many dies) what they anticipate selling in the first weeks. Then they stack the boxes on palets and fill the orders. Then they go back (if necessary) and strike more up to the limit of the set.

So the coin you order, receive and send in for the first strike/early release label could be the 1st one struck from a new die, or the last one before it was taken out of service. Or anything in between.

The 1 of 999 doesn't mean anything either. It's a bulk submission with a special label (costs the big sellers a lot less to grade 100 or 1000 of the same coin, so the few cents extra charged for 'serial numbering' is meaningless) (as is the #).

It's all done to create the illusion of special and scarce to up the selling price.

They are however, really nice coins. The mint went and created dies more like the 1964 original than the flat lifeless ones they had been using in the 2010s. And the P/D circulation quality from the set you have bought slightly better handling and so is typically less marked up.

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 Posted 03/07/2017  08:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jbedwell to your friends list
Thank you everyone for your feedback!! This is my first post to this site and I appreciate all the different views.
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 Posted 03/07/2017  09:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add batboy to your friends list
First Strike TPG designation:


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First Strike Coins - A Marketing Goldmine

"First Strike" Marketing Genius

I don't know who first thought of the "First Strike" concept, but I'd like to congratulate the marketing genius who did. He or she managed to create a perception of value, for an otherwise ordinary coin, based on nothing more than when it was shipped from the U.S. Mint!

What exactly is a "First Strike?"

In general, a third party grading service gives a "First Strike" designation to those coins packaged for shipment from the U.S. Mint within a month of their official release date. For Mint State coins, the cutoff is basically January 31 of each year. Proof coins are based on the announced release date. All coins must be submitted with their original Mint shipment packaging with accompanying documents indicating they were packaged for shipment from the U.S. Mint within the first month of their official release.

The key words here are that the coins must have been packaged for shipment from the U.S. Mint within the first month of their official release. It has nothing to do with the date of striking other than they obviously were struck before they were packaged and shipped, which is, of course, true of all coins!

So, the "First Strike" designation is nothing more than a marketing program based on the principle that collectors have always sought out coins of special significance, and one way that a coin can be distinguished from another is by the date that it was struck. The perception being given by the "First Strike" designation is that somehow these coins were struck first, or at least early, in production.

Some "First Strike" Problems
The problem is that, during production, the U.S. Mint does not keep track of the order in which they mint coins. Also, the U.S. Mint usually begins production several weeks to several months before the coins are officially released. By the release dates for the 2005 and 2006 bullion coins, the U.S. Mint had already minted approximately 50% of the total projected mintage for these coins. The dates on shipping labels and packing slips do not necessarily correlate to the date of manufacture. This is all clearly stated on the U.S. Mint's website under Consumer Awareness.

I have also heard the argument that the "First Strike" designation somehow implies that the strike of the earlier coins is somehow better than those struck later. This might be true if the Mint only used one set of dies during production. Since dies constantly wear out and are being replaced in an ongoing cycle, this argument goes out the window. Also, from a purely objective standpoint, a coin graded First Strike MS69 is no better than a non-First Strike coin graded MS69, regardless of what day it was minted.

The Value of the "First Strike" Designation
There is no arguing the fact that coins with the "First Strike" designation are commanding a premium over their non-designated counterparts, so there is demand for this designation whether you think it makes sense or not. Third party grading services are profit oriented businesses and not charities set up to benefit the hobby. If there is a demand for this designation from collectors, then it is in their interest to supply that demand. Whether or not this demand stands the test of time is something that we will have to wait and see.


That said, I do have a "First Strike" ASE and an "Initial Release" ASE designation. I figure even if it's sort of a marketing scheme, combined with 25th Anniversary or the W mint mark, then maybe it'll hold a slight premium value in the future (which is the whole point).

2014-P&d-SP-69-50-Anniversary-Kennedy-Half-Set.-**-First-Strike-**

2014-P&d-SP-69-50-Anniversary-Kennedy-Half-Set.-**-First-Strike-**
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 Posted 03/07/2017  09:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add batboy to your friends list
Oh, almost forgot, here is a photo (admittedly a crappy pic) of my special 2014 silver mint set in the original display package. So, you're missing two proof coins from the "set".

2014-P&d-SP-69-50-Anniversary-Kennedy-Half-Set.-**-First-Strike-**
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 Posted 03/07/2017  1:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list

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The 1 of 999 doesn't mean anything either. It's a bulk submission with a special label (costs the big sellers a lot less to grade 100 or 1000 of the same coin, so the few cents extra charged for 'serial numbering' is meaningless) (as is the #).

And the bulk submitter could have submitted more than one batch of a thousand so there could be more than one of these out there. At least on this one it appears they actually did have a different number for each of the thousand. On some of the slabs produced by the other top TPG's I have seen similar #X of XXX type holders were EVERY slab in the group is labeled 1 of XXX.
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 Posted 03/07/2017  1:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jbedwell to your friends list
Thank you! I just thought it was hard to find anything so I figured it was either rare or a cheap set trying to look legit.
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 Posted 03/07/2017  1:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GateKeep to your friends list
@Batboy

The four coin set is entirely different than the two coin. In the four coin Anniversary set, they're all 90% silver whereas the two coin Anniversary set is one each P&D clad enhanced.
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 Posted 03/07/2017  1:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nfine to your friends list
Mike Mezack sold those on HSN.
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 Posted 03/07/2017  1:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add batboy to your friends list
Ok, thanks for the clarification. Yes, my set is definitely silver. Dang mint has so many special sets that I can't keep track of them all.
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On some of the slabs produced by the other top TPG's I have seen similar #X of XXX type holders were EVERY slab in the group is labeled 1 of XXX.
Yup. A statement that is true. This one is one of the xxx available, and so is this one, and this one is one, too.
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 Posted 03/07/2017  7:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list
I've always wondered who hires who to stand there at the Mint and pulls out the so called First Strike coins. I wonder how much they get paid to just stand there when the Mint first opens for the start of new coins. And then too, why aren't none of them labeled Second Strike? IF a massive amount are all First Strike, How does anyone ever get a Second Strike coin. And how come no one ever is able to get a Last Strike coin?
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