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John Mccain And Mike Enzi Reintroduce The Currency Optimization, Innovation, And National Saving Act

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 Posted 04/03/2017  04:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list
Yeah , Guaranteed no splinters. (At one time that was an actual sales tout for a toilet paper brand.)
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 Posted 04/03/2017  1:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list

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Not much of a job killer. Crane would lose the paper production of the dollar note which you would think would cost jobs, but the production of the paper for twos would go way up and save most if not all those jobs. Jarden might lose some jobs in the zinc line, but there would be an increase in jobs needed for the strip for the dollar coins. This might move jobs from one company to another but the total number probably wouldn't change much. Mining wouldn't suffer because more copper would be needed. Jobs at the BEP probably wouldn't change that much either because they will be printing twos instead of ones. So it really probably wouldn't affect jobs much at all.
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 Posted 04/03/2017  2:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TNG to your friends list
I agree with jbuck
"The nickel needs to go, too. Changing its composition while placating the vending industry is futile. By the time they finally figure it out it will be too late, just as it is way too late for the cent."
I'd like to finally say I have a complete set of nickels.
I don't like the new one anyway but I still have to get three every year. They are boring me to tears since 2006.
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Can't we just pay off the national debt today by moving the decimal point over one notch and $.01 would become $.10 ?
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 Posted 04/03/2017  4:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list

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I'd like to finally say I have a complete set of nickels.
I ended my first set at 2003.

2004 to date is in a separate album.
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 Posted 04/03/2017  7:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add XavierOfGreen to your friends list
None of this will solve the real problem, which is the non-stop inflationary monetary policy this country has pursued for decades and is obliterating savings accounts. Once the penny is gone, next will be the dime, and then the quarter, then the dollar itself will be gone. Soon enough it will cost $50 to buy a coke, and your own life savings wont be enough to pay for a years expenses. Inflationary monetary policies destroyed the economy of Rome, it will do the same to us if we don't end it soon enough. A near stable or slightly deflationary policy are the only ones throughout history that have proven to last the length of time.
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 Posted 04/04/2017  10:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list

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A near stable or slightly deflationary policy are the only ones throughout history that have proven to last the length of time.
I do not think that is accurate. Persistent deflation is what caused the great depression. History has shown that a moderate inflation drives economies. However, the key word here is moderate. It has to be enough to encourage consumers to buy products now (to avoid higher future prices), but no so much where savings can be adversely affected.
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 Posted 04/04/2017  2:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Earle42 to your friends list
Get ready for a cost of living increase that naturally will follow.

This move will save politicians taxpayer money on paper - and make them be able to brag - unfortunately that is most of the "money" that will be "saved." There will be an upward adjustment in costs to the average consumer as society normalizes on a higher cost plateau b/c of cost increases inherent to the change.

Psychologically there is an immediate rise in prices as the mindset of the dollar coin being the "new quarter" or just "pocket change" kicks in. People are correct that a dollar does not buy much, but the human mind still sees the amount of a dollar as something that is not literally thrown around in change cups with worthless pennies. Marketers will take advantage of this.

Expect services to increase in price and trickle down into the cost of everything else. It costs a LOT more money to handle/ship/distribute/trade in/cash in large amounts of metal vs. paper. The businesses which do such things (like your and my bank, ant machines using money) will pass on the expenses to the consumer.

How do I know? Although not a Canadian citizen, I was back and forth in Canada enough most of my life. The Loony caused the exact things I mention. I was there.

And we, as the little man, will be putting out more money for the same things we buy now. Inflation is aided by this move. However, it makes politicians look good (on paper).


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Persistent deflation is what caused the great depression. History has shown that a moderate inflation drives economies. However, the key word here is moderate.

True about the persistent deflation, but this was a different time. Using farming as an example (which was a more prominent profession back then_: Now the regulatory boards step in to make sure no one has a monopoly. Farmers no longer have to worry about being underpriced by their neighbors (which was a very legitimate problem).

Of course middle men get more of the consumer's money, and the farmer still does not see the profits they are due for their work. However, these regulatory boards do make it so the farmer can make a living.

As JFK and Ronald Reagan both said, and history proves, if you allow the people to have more of their own money - which means less taxes and less government intervention - you WILL have a strong economy. Listen to their speeches. Research the actual facts.

Think about the common sense in this...
If each CCF member had an extra $200.00 to "play with" a month, I do not think it would be far fetched to say the money would most likely be spent on coins. Buyers are happier, spenders are happier, and we grow.


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 Posted 04/04/2017  3:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add XavierOfGreen to your friends list
If you look back to the era when the great powers enacted merchantilistic monetary policies you will see that there periods of great growth were driven by a policy of stregnthening their home currency (the British and Dutch Empires for example), driving exports and retaining profits at home.
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 Posted 04/25/2017  12:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add billymac11 to your friends list
Hey, this is a step in the right direction. Maybe it'll get some traction, especially since we're now living in an "anything can happen era".
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 Posted 04/26/2017  3:45 pm  Show Profile   Check nss-52's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add nss-52 to your friends list
I didn't read all the pages of this post, but the COINS Act does NOT eliminate the cent coin.

Cents will continue to be legal tender and no other changes to pricing, etc. are mandated or suggested.

That's right, it just suspends minting cents for a 10 year period.

Also, it instructs the Mint to continue making cents "for the needs of numismatic collectors of that denomination".

It increases the copper content of 5 cent coins to 20%.

Dollar bills would continue to be made for two years after the bill passes.

Dollar bills, after that would continue to be made "for the needs of numismatic collectors of that denomination".

Dollar bills would continue to be legal tender, but the Federal Reserve would start removing them from circulation.

It postpones making a decision on whether to eliminate the cent until a later date.
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 Posted 04/26/2017  4:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list

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That's right, it just suspends minting cents for a 10 year period.
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It postpones making a decision on whether to eliminate the cent until a later date.
I am fairly certain if they ever stopped making them, they would never start again. In ten years the cent will be long forgotten and certainly still unnecessary.
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 Posted 04/26/2017  4:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Crazyb0 to your friends list
Gee, maybe all the copper penny rolls I've been buying lately will be worth a small fortune ten years from now! because the Zincolns in circulation will all have rotted by then!





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 Posted 04/26/2017  5:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CelticKnot to your friends list

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I am fairly certain if they ever stopped making them, they would never start again. In ten years the cent will be long forgotten and certainly still unnecessary.

I agree. Perhaps it's language to get the status quo voters that are on the fence to commit.
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