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Long Term Storage Of Silver Coins

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 Posted 05/11/2017  12:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add squaremealroundplate to your friends list
Nevol good chance the sticky decimal coins came out of the red plastic ( PVC ) RAM wallet sets up to, and including the 1983. The worst culprit is the 1983 red plastic (PVC) wallet, and it's the mint set only 20c which can have that disappointing sticky gunk on them. Usually acetone is helpful to remove the sticky gunk although sometimes there can be fine residual marks left on the 20c from the area(s) where the gunk has been removed. Occassionally, the 1971 - 1973 red RAM wallets suffered with sticky gunk /greenish discolouration on the coins as a result of very poor storage, and the red RAM wallets being stacked on top of each other for years. The humidity helps the PVC, in which the coins are housed in the red RAM wallets, ruin the coins.

trout I always staple my self adhesive 2 x 2 coin holders and crimp each of the staples flat with a small pair of pliers.
However, I haven't stored my coins in albums for over 35 years, I store all of my coins ( in 2 x 2 holders with the 4 staples crimped flat ) in tins. The Arnotts biscuit tins 250cm x 180cm x 75cm high, or similar, are the ideal height and can comfortably house around 280 50c coins in 2 x 2's with a divider in between each row of coins. Each and every coin also has a square piece of photocopy paper cut slightly smaller then 2 x 2 between them.

As for those who prefer to store their coins in albums : I still maintain - though each to their own method - that albums
should be stored upright with a large thick rubber band, or similar, either vertical or horizontal around the album to stop the slippery coin pages from shifting/ moving, as they are prone to doing.

If I can also add : I have learnt over the years that it is essential to wash the $1 and $2 coins with soap and water, a good rinse, pat dry, a bit of a gentle polish with a soft cloth BEFORE putting them into 2 x 2 holders. For whatever reason, quite a few of my $1 and $2 coins were over time discolouring, with some even pitting. Ouch ! I figured that whatever lubricant the RAM uses in the coin production process of the $1 and $2 coins must have been leaving a very fine film of that lubricant on the coins. The ( chemical ) interaction of the lubricant with the 92 % copper in the $1 and $2 coins caused the adverse ruining effect.

Hopefully more members can contribute their thoughts, ideas and methods. We're all here to further our knowledge.
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 Posted 05/11/2017  07:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nevol to your friends list
All the 'sticky' decimal coins I mentioned were placed in PVC pages by me, before I found out how damaging it is, so no-one to blame but myself. The majority of them are error coins that I noodled.
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 Posted 05/11/2017  4:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trout1105 to your friends list
To answer the OP's question about storing "Bullion" grade Silver coins Keeping them in snaplock bags is just fine and also stored in rolls that have been vacuum sealed is a great idea as well.
I have recently been vacuum sealing the small $10 "Baggies" that RAM has been making available to us and it not only prevents the air/moisture coming into contact with the coins ( the baggies are Not airtight) It also prevents the coins from "Bagging Up" any more because when vacuum sealed the coins are held tightly in place.


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As for those who prefer to store their coins in albums : I still maintain - though each to their own method - that albums
should be stored upright with a large thick rubber band, or similar, either vertical or horizontal around the album to stop the slippery coin pages from shifting/ moving, as they are prone to doing.


If the albums are stored flat the coins do Not Shift/Move and there is No pressure applied to binder or the pages themselves, Nor will the self adhesive 2x2's loose their integrity.
Can you explain Why you think that storing the albums upright is a better way of storage?

There is No need to staple self adhesive 2x2's as it defeats the purpose of using them in the first place.
Staples even if they are flattened pose an unwanted threat to coins due to the possibility of scratching a nearby coin and they also attract rust, especially if stored in steel tins/boxes.
I have coins in their lighthouse self adhesive 2x2's that have been there for 10+ years and the glue hasn't deteriorated or become unsealed and the coins are still in the same condition as when I first put them in their 2x2's.

Storing coins in steel tins/containers is NOT a good idea and I personally would not recommend doing it.

Washing "Circulated" coins IS a good idea, It gets the circulation "Grime" off the coins But polishing them even gently is a definite NoNo.
Once a $1 or $2 coin has been in circulation the acids contained in the hand grease/sweat that is deposited on the coin through circulation/handling Will affect the coins and toning is inevitable.
I have some Uncirculated 1984 dollar coins that are not toned at all as they haven't seen any circulation so I doubt that IF they had been lubricated during the minting process would cause them to tone.
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 Posted 05/11/2017  6:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Hercules to your friends list
A lot of my early coins from 10-20 years ago are stored in coin albums, which I originally stored upright, but now store flat. When I pulled them out last year to take a look at them, I didn't notice any major problems with them. I didn't notice any signs of PVC damage, although one of the $1 coins had a green spot on it, probably because it was dirty when I put it in. The cupro-nickel coins have barely changed at all, and most of them are in better condition that what I'm currently finding today, especially those from the 60s and 70s. The aluminium bronze coins have all developed toning, but that's because the albums are not airtight, even though I did my utmost best to keep the air out. Overall, I've got a beautiful set of coins, which I'm quite proud of.
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 Posted 05/11/2017  7:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Basil to your friends list

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I have coins in their lighthouse self adhesive 2x2's that have been there for 10+ years and the glue hasn't deteriorated or become unsealed and the coins are still in the same condition as when I first put them in their 2x2's.


I agree,i still have silver/copper Coins stored since the 1970's and they and the adhesive holders are fine,to get a Coin out you have to cut it out.
I'm not sure where the Furphy of them coming apart started,its only since the Internet that I've read about it,might have been a bad batch(or Chinese copies) or stored near high humidity or heat or something but I've found Adhesive Lighthouse 2x2's excellent.
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 Posted 04/13/2018  02:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Soho to your friends list
Hi all, still new here. Hope it's OK to continue this conversation. I was going to ask a similar question to start of this thread. Actually, I have a related q's.

First, how are you all storing for the long term? I mean 20 years or more.

Second, I was thinking (backstory in a bit), that perhaps vacuum food storage might be OK. The bags are food safe and would eliminate excess air and humidity, and, being food safe, I would hope but cannot say for sure are/might be safe for silver and copper. Anybody know?

So, the reason I ask is that I have a few American eagles and they are tarnishing. I am disgusted. Having gained more interest in coins lately, I want to make sure that if I buy a proof coin from the mint, or at auction, it stays perfect looking for, well, preferably 100 years. :D It sure seems to make a difference in coin prices at auction.

I started using AirTite capsules, but they aren't really all that air tight and I have since gone to adding the use of a food vacuum wrap. Seemed like a good idea as some Canadian coins came to me shrink wrapped. Of course, as you all have noted, the type of plastic will make a huge difference. I just don't want to have to wait 3-5 years to know if the shrink wrap is the way to go.

One more thing. I learned the hard way that shrink wrapping an entire box is a bad idea, as the box will crush. It can be hard to pop the capsuled coin out of the display case, but it seems that once out, then vacuum wrapped (coin and capsule wrapped), it does basically fit back in the holder/display box. Still, I would like the cardboard box, CoA, etc. to also last that 100 years.

What are you all doing for storage?
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 Posted 04/13/2018  5:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mr T to your friends list
I'm not concerning myself too much with toning so I just use PET saflips in PET album pages which go in a safe - hardly air-tight much better than leaving them out in the open.

I've heard of other people heat-sealing saflips - not sure how this works long-term as there is still some air in the saflip. I guess vacuum storage should work as long as you're using the right plastic?
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 Posted 04/13/2018  6:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ryurazu to your friends list
Well I guess if you are going to view them from time to time a folder is best. However I have see people put coins in taperware containers or any container with plastic seal really ( note a glass container is probably better) or paper holder 2x2. If you want to go extreme maybe a vaccum sealed container so that nothing can get in.
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 Posted 04/13/2018  7:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Basil to your friends list

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First, how are you all storing for the long term? I mean 20 years or more.




As posted above I use Lighthouse self adhesive 2x2,have done since the 1970's and not a problem of any kind.The Coin remains almost exactly as first stored,maybe a litle Toning which in most cases with Silver is good IMO.
Couple of things thou.,if the Copper Coin has Verdi it will still grow despite being in a sealed 2x2 so you have to treat before storeage.
2nd thing is the Chinese fake Lighthouse products on the market,they replicate the box or packaging so hard to pick,extreme buyer beware,only deal with Lighthouse agents/resellers.
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 Posted 04/19/2018  06:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mr T to your friends list
I used to keep coins in 2x2s but I think the quality of glue can vary so they're prone to not staying shut.
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 Posted 04/20/2018  01:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
aus_sprite: for the sorts of silver coins that you are storing, what you are doing is quite OK.
More sophisticated storage approaches to what you are currently using, perhaps would be justified for more valuable items, that have significant numismatic value.

As mentioned earlier, storing silver coins in steel tins is not a good idea.
Actually, I do store bulk junk silver coins in steel tins.

Nevertheless, with any coin in my collection,
glued 2x2's in non PVC album pages are fine, but I use copper plated staples for my 2x2's.

Two reasons for copper plated staples:
1. Steel staples can leave rust marks, so I prefer copper plated steel staples. Even with steel staples, I have never experienced the coins themselves being affected in an any way.
2. Stapled 2x2's can be re opened and re cycled.
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 Posted 04/24/2018  4:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cally to your friends list
Just a warning,I have found coins in old self adhesive 2x2s where the glue has deteriorated over time . Like melted and dripped down onto the coin. Not many but a couple.Also the window can become rather brittle then easily torn or punctured. That said I use them for the majority of my run of the mill coins.
For mine, any high value coin I would place in saflips and heat seal closed. Coin is fully viewable . These can be stored in conventional album pages if you like
I use "Sistema" plastic containers to store my coins and throw in a few silica bags.
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 Posted 04/24/2018  7:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Basil to your friends list

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Just a warning,I have found coins in old self adhesive 2x2s where the glue has deteriorated over time . Like melted and dripped down onto the coin. Not many but a couple.Also the window can become rather brittle then easily torn or punctured.


That's interesting,never seen it myself with Lighthouse 2x2,must be a bad batch,fakes,or stored near a heat source.
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 Posted 05/06/2018  8:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ryurazu to your friends list
Hmm just did a bit of researching and found there is alternative to PVC, such as BOPP or OPP and PET, which one is the best for viewing and long term storage?
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 Posted 05/10/2018  07:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mr T to your friends list
I use saflips which are made of PET.
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