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I'm beginning to think that this is one of those terms that differ between U.S. and Canadian collectors. It seems the U.S. collectors refer to it as a " Retained Cud" while the Canadian collectors refer to it as a "retained broken die". Since I'm a U.S. collector of Canadian cents, I'm a little confused. I have to say that "retained broken die" actually sounds more accurate, since it is part of the die that is "retained" and the " Cud" or " Retained Cud" is what appears on the coin as a result. I would welcome any comments as to which of these terms you like and why. |
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"Since I'm a U.S. collector of Canadian cents, I'm a little confused. I have to say that "retained broken die" actually sounds more accurate, since it is part of the die that is "retained" and the " Cud" or " Retained Cud" is what appears on the coin as a result." I would agree with this statement. I have always believed that a Cud is the result of a broken die and created when the coin is struck. If the broken die is retained then there is no Cud produced once the retained portion shifts enough and moves to a different level then the rest of the die then a Cud will be produced. To me the term Retained Cud doesn't make any sense and is misleading to what actually happens, you can retain a broken die in a position to create a Cud or the piece can be dislodged completely and produce a Cud but I would never call either a Retained Cud. Just my opinion. Cheers, Bill |
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That's a nice one Dorado! It's a very late state of the I3 reverse die. Haxby die pair PC59-412.
Thanks for sharing it!
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I picked this one up in October, from a dealer in southern Ontario. This one is now my oldest small cent error coin. A nice die break with Cud, in a decent AU grade.  "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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That is a fantastic Cud Roger, and on the obverse side! Do you know if large Cuds are more often seen on the obverse or reverse on small cents? |
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"Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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lol thought you lost it!!!
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Edited by Dollar 1935
01/28/2020 01:05 am
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I had no idea that Cuds or retained broken dies were worth anything. Are those asking prices legit for the NGC graded coins from the vendor. I have a number of Vickies with " Cuds" that I thought were worthless. |
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Very nice Cud SPP-Ottawa! Errers and Varietys.
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That's a beauty! That Cud turned a low 9 into a high 9.  |
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Ooh... Dollar 1935 is going to love this one (or hate me for posting it)!  This is a 1920 silver 5c with a die break and Cud. This one is different than the one for sale with Canadian Coin & Currency. https://www.cdncoin.com/product-p/2...05_d1d55c399There is even a bit of weakness on the opposing reverse side in the denticles.    "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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Nice Cud SPP-Ottawa. Can still see the top of the D on that one. I guess that would technically be called a "retained broken die" based on earlier comments? Do you see many Cuds on silver 5 cents or are they as hard to find as on the cents? |
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