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Looking For More Info 2015 And 2016 ASE

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 Posted 07/07/2017  3:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Foxwoods Man to your friends list

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I tought we were all pass this already.


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07/07/2017 3:36 pm
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 Posted 07/07/2017  3:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nutmeg to your friends list
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I don't need to do research. I already knew all that you have said. A member of our coin club brought a slabbed 2015P ASE to the meeting and gave a talk.
And if you read my post above I said the mint may be unable to give an accurate figure.
Sorry but I wrongly thought you had new information.
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 Posted 07/07/2017  4:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Foxwoods Man to your friends list
well...just sayin'...when you said this


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Are you looking for the mintage figure for the 2015P? It supposedly is only 79,000.


..it would lead one to believe you were believing that 79k...

As was mentioned...we are over this and moved on (I thought).

Those who bought can believe what they need to believe to justify their purchase but there are no facts that state what the actual mintage was...AND, in reality, what difference does it make? It's the same coin that had a total mintage of 47 million or so...

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 Posted 07/07/2017  6:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add alvaro77 to your friends list

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Those who bought can believe what they need to believe to justify their purchase but there are no facts that state what the actual mintage was...AND, in reality, what difference does it make? It's the same coin that had a total mintage of 47 million or so...


!Tough crowd! Well said foxwoods

They believe cause NGC,PCGS says so, so it must be true. Yeah right. If the mint cant verify how can they? Lies
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07/07/2017 6:33 pm
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 Posted 07/07/2017  7:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cuzzx to your friends list
thanks for chiming in . Today I went deep in to this P D and S mess. more on that later
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What I have been trying to do is , a while back I saw a post somewhere that the 2016 ASE had three different mint marks on them.
one was burnished and one was a proof but can not remember the other. And all I can find on the 2016 is that there were only 3 styles put out, the third being bullion with no mint mart.
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 Posted 07/07/2017  7:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cuzzx to your friends list
now , more on the P D and S.
While the U.S. Mint reaffirmed May 25 that the mintages released for 2015 American Eagle silver bullion coin production at the Philadelphia Mint
and West Point Mint were correct, officials acknowledge there are discrepancies concerning the numbers appearing on the outside of the boxes.

The coins are intended to be identical, no matter which facility struck them, so identifying them absent some other supporting documentation
should be impossible. However, the information released by the Mint about the tracking numbers on their initial packaging has been used by
grading services in identifying the coins and by dealers in marketing them.
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07/07/2017 7:53 pm
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 Posted 07/07/2017  8:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nutmeg to your friends list
Well that's why I said "supposedly" 79,600.
By that I didn't say I believed it.
Anyone with better information feel free to comment. The guy who displayed his 2015P at the meeting said this:
The boxes that had the P mint coins and the proper code on the straps were all shipped out of West Point. Some had a sticker on the monster box that said WP. Some Philly coins did not have the WP sticker on the box. The code stamped on the straps was specific to Philly.
There was a mislabelling of some boxes hence nobody can tell at this point what the actual mintage was.
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 Posted 07/07/2017  9:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add alvaro77 to your friends list
Ha, prices continue to fall, one sold for $275. There were like $599 at the beginning. That is still too expensive for a $15.50 coin.
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 Posted 07/08/2017  01:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add AES to your friends list
The 2005 bullion issue is silver bullion. If someone has that amount of $ to drop on a scarce label, they are free to do so.

How do you compete with the mass marketing that put this monstrosity out there?!? Anyone reading this forum gets it.

As for other outlets, the correction should either be a retraction/update or a new publication since the US mint issued the latest update.


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 Posted 07/08/2017  07:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Foxwoods Man to your friends list
Now you have me really confused:


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now , more on the P D and S.
While the U.S. Mint reaffirmed May 25 that the mintages released for 2015 American Eagle silver bullion coin production at the Philadelphia Mint


There are no 2015 D or S minted ASE's either "struck at" bullion or actual mintmarked coins

RE: 2015 bullion. This is what was said by the Mint:


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Box tracking numbers 10001 through 10159 were used on boxes of coins minted in Philadelphia. Those same box tracking numbers were also used on coins minted in West Point. However, only the West Point monster boxes were shipped with computer-generated labels.

Because of duplication of box tracking numbers at Philadelphia and West Point, as well as any mistakes in labeling or the possibility that labels on the boxes could have been removed or altered at any time after shipping, the Mint will make no attempt to "verify" the origin of any boxes using techniques related to tracking numbers, labels, or otherwise.


So just take off the label on that WP box and you now have a Phily box
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 Posted 07/08/2017  07:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Foxwoods Man to your friends list
Pic of my 2008 box for illustration...label easily removed and a 2015 WP box becomes a Phily box

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07/08/2017 07:34 am
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i read (and bookmarked) an article someone left a link for in a recent post re: burnished silver eagles. it explains the burnished coins' mintages and mentions that,

"only the 2015 (P), 1995-W, 2011-S and the 2017-S have lower mintages than the 2017 and 2018 Burnished Silver Eagles."

2015 (P)? that's news to me. so I looked it up. found a lot of reading, to include the mint's last word on the matter. (this thread was begun well before I joined the forum.)

i also found a link to a prominent coin dealer (i didn't go looking for more, though) listing- or having once listed- a 2015 (P) bullion silver eagle MS70 PCGS for about $6500.

ehhhhh, that is an expensive label, imho. not something I would entertain purchasing. if I drop that much money on a silver eagle, I will be buying the '95-W proof set. but that's just me.

while I understand the economics of it, and the 'feels', I concur with many of the posters above. I've read several other threads & posts about the TPGs/labels, not to mention what the mint has said about the '15 (P). this seems very tempest-in-a-teacup-ish, and much-ado-about-nothing-ish. I don't consider this ASE a key date and I can't jump onto that bandwagon. even if I had that much money to spend & had every other known silver eagle example I still wouldn't buy it, lol...


(and thanks for a great thread, excellent reading)
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 Posted 07/23/2019  10:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bret to your friends list

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I'm about sick to death of all the "new" ASE that keep popping up year after year for no other reason than to keep the TPG's pumping them out.

Just ignore the 3rd party label junk and enjoy the coins. I don't think that I would have ever completed my ASE set if I had worried about their we're the only one's who can tell and only if you ship them to us sealed in the unopened box shenanigans.
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 Posted 07/24/2019  10:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list

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I don't think that I would have ever completed my ASE set if I had worried about their we're the only one's who can tell and only if you ship them to us sealed in the unopened box shenanigans.
I have to agree with your decision.
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