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1957 D Quarter With RPM Over Horizontal D?

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 Posted 07/28/2017  5:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 3193zd to your friends list
Thanks Coop! I kind had an idea but I was hoping someone could explain it so I could understand wha ti was seeing!
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 Posted 07/28/2017  9:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list
Keep looking out there though. There are plenty of errors and varieties out there in circulation. :)
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 Posted 07/29/2017  09:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 3193zd to your friends list
I am selling off my father-in-laws apocalypse hoard of silver quarters and so far have found over 200 errors and varieties. Ii has been a learning curve and great fun!
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 Posted 07/30/2017  3:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
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 Posted 07/31/2017  10:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 3193zd to your friends list
Coop, those scratch lines are those from someone prepping the die or resurfacing it? You called them die flow?
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 Posted 07/31/2017  10:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
These lines are the result of (VLDS) die wear. You can see that often on nickels. Especially on the later die states. They are natural, not added to the die. If they polished the die the die scratches would be present along with die abrasion that reduces the fields. The devices will also show shorter height devices that also make the devices smaller a bit in size.
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 Posted 07/31/2017  11:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 3193zd to your friends list
Interesting. I never have seen them other than in the mintmark area. What also stands out is at it looks like these lines look like the area the mint mark is on is shallower than surrounding area.
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 Posted 07/31/2017  1:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
Note the heavy die flow lines and weakened devices on the dies when they age. Just as when we get older we get wrinkles, the dies get flow lines because of the metal movement in the same direction on each strike. Just normal die wear. Polishing the fields removes this, but removes part of the fields reducing the crispness and height of the devices. Note examples below. Click to enlarge these images. This will enlarge them even more.
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 Posted 07/31/2017  4:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 3193zd to your friends list
thanks Coop! I am amazed that was from natural wear. That also clears up why they aren't raised and causing shallows not raised areas. So if I may ask what does die resurfacing or refurbishing look like? So I can compare.
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 Posted 07/31/2017  8:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
A couple of ways. One with a tool rubbed on the fields of the die.
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The fields are the outside part of the die, the devices are deeper into the die.
Another way is by polishing the fields with a diamond paste:
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 Posted 08/01/2017  10:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 3193zd to your friends list
Can you tell me what happened to this coin? How did these scratches get there they are raised. Is this from die buffing?

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 Posted 08/01/2017  10:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
Most of the time die scratches will affect just the fields on the dies. Some polishing lines may have done by a different process. I've always wondered if they used something like a wire brush or sand paper on the die, leaving these longer lines st different angles than normal die flow lines would be. These lines in time will flatten in the die with continued use. But where the lines at a different angle are next to a device or inside of a device they will remain for a lot longer in these areas. But the die that stuck the above coin is showing die flow lines near the bust area. So it may have been worked on to remove something, but not over polished, because the die flow lines are still there. When the die flow lines are there and the die scratches are strong like on your coin, then they are fresh die scratches. In time the ones in the open fields will flatten out.

The lines on the cheek look like coin scratches from circulation or a previous cleaning with an abrasive on the coin. (These devices of the cheek are deeper into the die, thus not usually affected by die polishing) I've seen marks on the steps of the memorial that look like a wire brush was used and affected the mid depth devices.
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 Posted 08/02/2017  12:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 3193zd to your friends list
so these scratches are from human work not die flow. I am trying to get a feel for what is from Die Deterioration and what is from man trying to maintain the die.
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 Posted 08/03/2017  10:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
The man altered lines run in a direction that is not normal for die flow. Die flow tends to run from the center and heads for the rim area.
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 Posted 08/03/2017  10:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 3193zd to your friends list
got it! thanks Coop!
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