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95.5% Of 12 Ceasars Set In Silver- Post Or No Post?

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 Posted 08/11/2017  6:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add orfew to your friends list
I love the Otho. Such a great portrait.
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 Posted 08/11/2017  8:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kamnaskires to your friends list
Another great group. Some real connoisseurship in evidence here. These are prime examples.
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 Posted 08/11/2017  9:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list
Despite the shine, that Vitellius is really nice!
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 Posted 08/12/2017  06:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tenbobbit to your friends list
Superb pieces.
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 Posted 08/12/2017  3:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lrbguy to your friends list
And finally:


Vespasian (71 A.D.)
Titus Flavius Sabinus Vespiasianus
BMCRE 453; RSC 67; RIC 329
Minted in Ephesus

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IMP CAESAR VESPAS AVG COS III TR P PP

As a general, Vespasion was often charged to "pacify" disrupted parts of the empire in an after the Civil Wars. In many respects this role continued as emperor, aided by the ministrations of his son, Titus, and so the coinage for Vespasian is considerable, from a number of mints around the empire.

Unlike Tiberius, whose visage on his denarii belie his advanced years (52) when he assumed the purple, busts of Vespasion leave no doubt that he was all of 60 years of age when he was called to the imperial office. Moreover, he held that office for 10 more years, and the coins do not hold back the truth about his appearance. For this reason, distinguishing father and son, despite common naming elements, is generally not a problem.


CONCORDIA AVG
in exergue EPHE (second set ligatured)

Ceres, veiled, draped, seated left on throne, foot on stool, holding two heads of wheat and a poppy extended in right hand, and cornucopia in left.

The detail on the reverse is extraordinary considering that the surface area is 29% smaller than normal. (diameter = 16mm vs 19mm). Nonetheless, I could not help being surprised by how masculine the face of Ceres appears in this rendering. The size of the nose and the strength of the jaw seems unusually large for a woman, in my limited experience. I also found it interesting that the grain represents one of the great necessities of life, but here they are supplemented with a poppy (the round object on a stick). Whatever it takes to keep the people happy, I guess.

Noteworthy too is the use of an abbreviated place name in the exergue to designate the mint. The last two characters are ligatured across the top, and are only similar in appearance to the letters EPE, the middle being more like a Greek letter Phi. There has been some dispute as to whether or not this represents the initial letters of Ephesus.



Titus Flavius Vespasianus (79)
BMCRE 61; RSC 313a; RIC -
Minted at Rome


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IMP TITVS CAESAR VESPASIAN AVG P M
(reading up from left)

bare, laureate bust facing right

When his father was called to Rome to serve as emperor in 69 AD, Titus was charged to finish the "pacification" from the Jewish war that had begun in 66. With the destruction of the Jewish temple in 70 AD, Titus determined most of that work was done, and headed for Rome to assist he father, leaving the cleanup operations to the 10th legion. For the next nine years he served as Caesar under his father, but was automatically advanced to Augustus in 79 AD after his fathers death, a position he occupied for only two years prior to his own death. As a result, out of 14 different obverse inscriptions on the denarii of Titus, only two bear the AVG title for him as Augustus, this one and a shorter version.


TR P IX IMPXV COS VIII P P
throne with triangular back



Domitian (81-84)
T. Flavius Domitianus
BMCRE -; RSC -; RIC -
Unlisted Mint of Rome?

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IMP CAES DOMITIANVS AVG P M
(reading up from left)

bare, laureate bust right

Really not sure what to make of this piece, so I thought I would post it here. There is nothing particularly exceptional about the features of the obverse.

COS VII DES VIII P P
This is a variant example from the third issue for Domitian. It has the reverse inscription of #10, but with the reverse type of #22; (tripod with fillets streaming out l and r, on which is a dolphin, as on no. 4) This combination of reverse inscription and reverse type is not listed in any of the standard references. It is a close variant of BMCRE #10 for Domitian, so I have dated it to the same time frame.

On that last one, tell me what you think from your experience with these. This combination is unknown in BMC and RSC, but I do not have the appropriate volume of RIC to verify anything.

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 Posted 08/12/2017  3:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lrbguy to your friends list
As a capper, here is a pic of the whole set from the page in the binder in which I keep them. (click to see)


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08/12/2017 3:42 pm
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 Posted 08/12/2017  3:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add orfew to your friends list
I love the Vespasian. These Ephesian denarii were executed by masters of portrait art. I have one as well. I posted it on this board a couple of weeks ago.

Your Domitian appears to be RIC 38. I just checked my copy of RIC II Part 1. It is R3-only one known example, in the Holt collection. Other examples may have surfaced since publication. I will take a look.
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 Posted 08/12/2017  4:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add orfew to your friends list
I have checked RSC and Sear (2000) RCV and have not found your coin. I found close variations but not your coin with the dolphin tripod reverse and the COS VII DES VIII PP reverse legend. The examples in RSC and SRCV have a different reverse legend. Unless I am missing something I think you have quite a rare coin.
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 Posted 08/14/2017  09:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tenbobbit to your friends list
An excellent set of well chosen and choice pieces there Ellarby
Its not something I have considered doing myself yet but it is always nice to see one ( especially in this grade )

Thanks for sharing
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 Posted 08/14/2017  10:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DavidUK to your friends list
Not my area of interest but they look like high quality examples of desirable coins.

Always great to complete a set even if you want to upgrade one still.

Congratulations.
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 Posted 08/14/2017  11:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lrbguy to your friends list
To all who shared comments in this thread, thank you for having enough interest to say so. Your words are much appreciated, as is your continuing interest. Best of all is your fellowship in the hobby.


Sorry for the delay in responding, orfew, but I often don't check in on Sundays, particularly when I'm the preacher. Thank you for digging into the questions about that coin of Domitian, I was sure you would know what to do with it. You have convinced me to get the new version of RIC II, which I have now ordered. The rarity scales have been so badly misused and even abused by sellers, that I have tended to disregard them. However, they do serve a purpose when one is trying to differentiate between an unauthorized hybrid or a rare mint type. That is the nature of the problem with this coin, and one cannot have too many references to throw light on the problem.

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 Posted 08/14/2017  11:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Finn235 to your friends list
I've been meaning to reply to this thread, but always forget to come back when I'm done changing my pants!

Stupendous coins, and I don't think I could pick a favorite!
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 Posted 08/14/2017  12:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add orfew to your friends list
@lrbguy

Happy to help. I believe you will enjoy owning RIC II. Not only is it the most up to date catalogue of the Flavian era, it also has lots of really interesting information on these rulers and their coins. The plates are also very useful. I have found much joy in the many hours I have spent with the book. I really enjoying tracking down references. I guess that makes me a little strange but that is okay.
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 Posted 09/11/2017  4:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lrbguy to your friends list
bump


(need the access for another thread elsewhere.)
Edited by lrbguy
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 Posted 09/12/2017  6:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Palouche to your friends list
Sorrrrry!

lrb I've just seen this post..WWWonderful set and as usual super write ups and excellent photos

I agree with Finn but at a push I love the Galba Portrait

Thanks for sharing and congratulations on the set!

Saludos Paul
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