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1893-S Morgan - Repaired- Please Help

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 Posted 08/23/2017  6:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
Agree - a Frankenstein monster. Hard to believe it's in a slab.
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 Posted 08/23/2017  7:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list

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This coin is genuine, the main die marker, the slash in the 'T' in 'LIBERTY' is bold on this example.


Yeah, I saw that, the denticulation is nominally executed, and the obverse overlays rather nicely with a known-good example. However, I am bothered by the grainy look of the reverse and what looks like a marked disparity in relative wear between some of the reverse features, especially the lettering, mint mark and arrow fletches/lower tailfeathers compared to the rest of the devices.

Similar wear discrepancies exist on the obverse, but I can't cite them since that whole face has been so obviously doctored.

I don't like this coin.
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 Posted 08/23/2017  8:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paralyse to your friends list
If the 1893-S were the last hole in my 7178, and I could get this coin for a tenth of the price of a straight grade VG coin...I still wouldn't touch this pig. I'm content to let that hole sit unfilled for years to come until a decently priced problem free low grade example shows up and I can actually afford it. Worse, if you buy a coin like this, good luck selling it again in the future.
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 Posted 08/23/2017  9:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moxking to your friends list
I agree with everyone who would give this a pass. A coin like that eliminates so many possible buyers that it quickly becomes a bargain basement beast.

I'd rather wait, or work on another set. But since I've never loved Morgan's because of their ready availability I'm probably not the best person to judge this rare date.

Other than the CC's I only have a few dozen Morgan and every one of those are in date sets.
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 Posted 08/23/2017  9:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coin197 to your friends list
I would pay like $250 for it.
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 Posted 08/23/2017  9:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MikeF to your friends list
A facelift gone wrong.
1893-S-Morgan---Repaired--Please-Help
1893-S-Morgan---Repaired--Please-Help
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 Posted 08/23/2017  10:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list
I really don't like all the raised dimples on this thing.
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 Posted 08/24/2017  09:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cascade to your friends list
Obverese is heavily tooled
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 Posted 08/24/2017  12:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list
Looks like it has had graffiti removed (poorly) from the left obv field.
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 Posted 08/25/2017  3:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rum_n_cola to your friends list
Thank you all for your replies. I was looking to purchase this as a filler, though after reading the comments, I think I will pass. This coin has been graded by ICG EF40-Details, VAM1, Repaired. The asking price is $3,795.00. I have never come across a Morgan like this.
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 Posted 08/25/2017  3:30 pm  Show Profile   Check thedollarman's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add thedollarman to your friends list
umm..no expert with these are the but is the obverse die marker all you can use to say this is for sure real? I mean look all over this coin, especially above the LL in DOLLAR..there are bubbles everywhereeeee! is that not a sign of a fake?
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 Posted 08/25/2017  3:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Andrew99 to your friends list
It was an 1893. It was repaired to add the missing S.

j/k Lots of smoothing and maybe reengraving. Something may have been removed from the cheek, like grafitti, and smoothed over.
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 Posted 08/25/2017  3:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
Well, the mint mark is plainly tilted. Therefore, if it's real, it's VAM-2. If ICG couldn't get that right with only two to choose from, only one of which has a tilted mint mark, can you really trust their opinion of authenticity?

It may well be real. I haven't inspected the features which I doubt in-hand. Not a snowball's chance I'm throwing $3800 at it to find out; it may be the least-liquid 1893-S I've ever seen.
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 Posted 08/25/2017  3:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westernsky to your friends list
This is a classic example of the old "lipstick on a pig" saying!

The asking price of $3795 is absolutely ridiculous.

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 Posted 08/25/2017  9:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Moe145 to your friends list

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Looks re-engraved around the mouth, chin, & eye.


I agree 100%. I'm no expert but IMO, it's a damaged genuine.
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