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Using TPGs For Grading Aussie Coin In The USA

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 Posted 11/14/2017  11:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Michael Lueders to your friends list
I've not been able to find a site, with pictures to describe the grading of the coin. I think I found a site, at some point, that described, similar to Photograde, what each grade entails
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 Posted 11/14/2017  11:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Michael Lueders to your friends list
Oh, yer, you may have noticed. It is a gorgeously toned Woody to boot....
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 Posted 11/15/2017  12:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list

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Any recommendations?


Looks like a coin that would have a very nice appearance that's showing some harsh photos.

For auction houses concentrate on what the most likely net would be after their sales. Downies, RoxBury's, Numisbid ect anyone could be the best depending on what they usually get for prices and what fees you are able to negotiate.
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 Posted 11/15/2017  01:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Michael Lueders to your friends list
I'm new to Numismatics in that until Christmas 2016 I haven't collected any coins since the early 1970's. I have started up again as I inherited a lot of US coins from my USC inlaws and was asked to sell them to realise a value that they can pass onto my non- coin collecting brother in law.

As such I am learning the basics and photography is one of those. I have not got the resources at this point to invest in expensive camera gear, but do realise that I need to get better lighting and diffusion. I'm still working on that.

I thought these pics were reasonable. Taken with a cheap USB scope. I am sure with time I will get better at it.

With those Auction Houses, I am certain Downies is Australian, the coin, like me, is based in the US, so I need to move it through one here. I do not know which auction house here has a good following for foreign, especially Australian, coins.
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 Posted 11/15/2017  02:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list

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As such I am learning the basics and photography is one of those. I have not got the resources at this point to invest in expensive camera gear, but do realise that I need to get better lighting and diffusion. I'm still working on that.

I thought these pics were reasonable. Taken with a cheap USB scope. I am sure with time I will get better at it.


They're not bad in terms of showing detail. I just have a cheap point and shoot camera so I know first hand how harsh they can be on coins and how they can make beautiful coins look worse than they really are.


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With those Auction Houses, I am certain Downies is Australian, the coin, like me, is based in the US, so I need to move it through one here. I do not know which auction house here has a good following for foreign, especially Australian, coins.


For the US ones it'll be a bit hit or miss. Heritage or Stacks would get the best price but the fee will be high, probably won't have a lot of leverage in negotiations with them. I wouldn't use Great Collections, their world coins almost always sell to cheap. David Lawrence would be one to look into and explore the option of getting some reserve on it.

Your best bet honestly might just be to look into consigning it with a dealer and let them do the marketing and selling of it. Their fee will likely be less than you lose from an auction house where you have to account for not only the sellers fee but the buyers fees as well.
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 Posted 11/15/2017  02:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Michael Lueders to your friends list
Thanks.

I'm a little confused as to how the Auction houses work, it seems to me they sting the buyer and seller. I've seen them advertise x% buyer's premium, so they are charging the buyer perhaps 19% and then on top of that they charge the seller a percentage to boot? usury comes to mind.....

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 Posted 11/15/2017  05:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list

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I'm a little confused as to how the Auction houses work, it seems to me they sting the buyer and seller. I've seen them advertise x% buyer's premium, so they are charging the buyer perhaps 19% and then on top of that they charge the seller a percentage to boot? usury comes to mind.....


99 percent of the time it's the seller who eats the whole fee. They do a buyers and sellers fee as a marketing strategy. If they have a buyers fee of 20% and a sellers fee of 5% some people will think oh they're only charging me 5% when really they're charging 25 percent.

If a buyers bill with the buyers fee is $108 the sale price is 90 with a 20% buyers fee. Your sellers fee is taken out of the 90 dollars and anything over the 90 goes right to the auction house.

Buyers have a set budget, they may stretch from time to time for special coins but when they reach their max they reach their max. It doesn't matter to them how much of the total sale a seller gets and most buyers wouldn't care if the entire price was the buyers fee they're just bidding to their max.

Some auction houses do far more than others to market your coin as well.

But not sure where you saw the 3500 estimate but that was high. Probably more like 600-700. 3500 for would be for unciruclated grade levels.
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 Posted 11/15/2017  3:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add airgem to your friends list
From my Australian point of view the coin is just a standard VF. An american TPG would probably grade it gVF or higher. A classic example of why I don't take TPG's seriously.
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 Posted 11/16/2017  01:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Michael Lueders to your friends list
The coin came in at AU50

Where can I find what you feel is an accurate pricing on the coin? My search came up with just one site that attached the value for VF: $550, XF: 1750 and AU50: $3500.

I got the base US coins pegged for Fair Market Value at Numis, but not sure on world coins.

I'm looking into the Auction Houses and have reached out to David Lawrence awaiting a reply

This is all so confusing but it will work its way out lol
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 Posted 11/16/2017  4:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list

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The coin came in at AU50

Where can I find what you feel is an accurate pricing on the coin? My search came up with just one site that attached the value for VF: $550, XF: 1750 and AU50: $3500.

I got the base US coins pegged for Fair Market Value at Numis, but not sure on world coins.

I'm looking into the Auction Houses and have reached out to David Lawrence awaiting a reply

This is all so confusing but it will work its way out lol


Australian Blue Sheet and Heritage has a past sale though I believe that one was an NGC and the PCGS should do a little better.
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 Posted 11/16/2017  4:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
The most justifiable reason for having an Aussie coin TPGraded is if you wish to sell it into the U.S. market.
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 Posted 11/16/2017  8:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pertinax to your friends list
I found basebal21's explanation a little confusing.

My local auction charges 15% to buyers and 20% to sellers (both fees including tax).

For a coin that all buyers feel is worth £115, the most a buyer will pay is £100. The seller pays £20 if it sells for £100 and gets £80 in their pocket.

Thus they've received 80/115 of the value or 69.6%, a net charge of 30.4%.
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 Posted 11/16/2017  8:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list

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I found basebal21's explanation a little confusing.

My local auction charges 15% to buyers and 20% to sellers (both fees including tax).

For a coin that all buyers feel is worth £115, the most a buyer will pay is £100. The seller pays £20 if it sells for £100 and gets £80 in their pocket.

Thus they've received 80/115 of the value or 69.6%, a net charge of 30.4%.


Exactly, anything that gets paid that the seller doesn't get is really a fee on the seller. They auction houses split the fee into two different categories because it sounds lower with the buyers fee and the sellers fee instead of telling a seller they charge over 30 percent to sell it.
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 Posted 11/17/2017  03:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Michael Lueders to your friends list
Thanks basebal21. Until you mentioned it I have never heard of the Australian Blue Sheet, so will have to research that.

Thank you both basebal21 and Pertinax for your explanation of the fee situation. Legal highway robbery is what it is... geee...
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 Posted 11/23/2017  08:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wwwww to your friends list
Buyer's premium used to be illegal in NSW for obvious reasons so auctioneers simply held their auctions in other states. NSW not wanting to lose the business therefore made it legal regardless of the ethical issues.
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