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1974 Cent Struck On Bonded Cent And 10 Cent Planchet, Questionable Auction Item

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 Posted 09/20/2017  7:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Zimmy to your friends list
Seeing item in person has its advantages over someone who doesn't live near auction house and has to rely on pictures to bid on the net. However, even with slab in hand, I would find it difficult to determine if this coin is labeled appropriately. From the pictures, I don't see any "wrapping" from repeated strike pressure of either coin to allow for the bonding process to take place. My experience with bonded coins usually results from the coins being capped to a die.
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 Posted 09/20/2017  8:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Buddy to your friends list
If you have the time, do some research. It seems to me that a coin like this might just have been featured in an article in some magazine somewhere.
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 Posted 09/20/2017  8:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Strach-Man to your friends list
As Bill from Burlington once said to me. If in doubt about buying a coin then it is best to walk away.
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 Posted 09/20/2017  8:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Zimmy to your friends list
If these coins are really bonded, they should sell for way more than the estimate notes. I have my eyes and ears pretty close to the market and I have never seen these particular coins listed before. In fact, I have never seen two coins of different denominations bonded. I am not saying one doesn't exist though. If slabbed by PCGS or NGC and I could see more evidence of the bonding, I would bid up to $1,000 for these coins. I am just not getting a warm and fuzzy feeling on this item.
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 Posted 09/20/2017  10:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
I've only been looking seriously at Canadian coins for about a year now, yet even in that short time I've seen quite a bit of evidence which leaves me questioning just what that service is willing to put into a slab, and how they're willing to label it.
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 Posted 09/21/2017  01:08 am  Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list
I will not be bidding on this piece. Seeing the rim and where the edges of the hammer die (reverse) meet the rim of this coin are vital to determine its validity... and we cannot see it in those photos.

With all that extra metal the nickel planchet should be driven into the softer, larger bronze planchet, which should create some pretty serious rim finning up outside between the collar and hammer dies...
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 Posted 09/21/2017  02:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add canadian-varieties to your friends list
very interesting conversation...

if the 1c and 10c are glued together...is the description on the slab "struck on bonded cent and 10 cent planchet" still technically correct?

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 Posted 09/21/2017  03:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Crazyb0 to your friends list
Now this one deservres more than just a Buyer Beware tag:



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if the 1c and 10c are glued together...is the description on the slab "struck on bonded cent and 10 cent planchet" still technically correct?


OK, I had no choice but to laugh at that.
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 Posted 09/21/2017  10:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add john100 to your friends list
I guess if you take a 1974 penny struck on a dime and gently press the two coins together you can create this example ?
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 Posted 09/21/2017  5:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add errorone2012 to your friends list
If anyone has old Jeffery hoare auction catalogues . About 20 years ago there was a similar piece for auction raw . I looked at the piece at the time and in my opinion it was genuine . I can not remember the date of it so I cant say if it is this one but they do exist .
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 Posted 09/21/2017  6:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add canadian-varieties to your friends list
There is only one good solution for this coin: PCGS or NGC
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 Posted 09/21/2017  6:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Smallcentguy to your friends list
I bid strongly on this lot but did not win. I don't think anyone wold waste a perfectly good 1974 cent-on-dime with shenanigans. Would have liked to get a good look, but to win it would have ben at least 600 + the juice.
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 Posted 09/21/2017  6:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add john100 to your friends list
I was going to take a flyer on this unit at around 300 but it blew past to I think 650 plus juice and tax, either something really cool or oops!
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 Posted 09/21/2017  7:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Zimmy to your friends list
We probably will never know if authentic. BTW, glue can be removed safely with acetone, so if the coin came back as fake, the submitter could just unglue.
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