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1909 S VDB Cent Back From PCGS

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 Posted 09/29/2017  4:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
Congrats. No way that was going to get a clean grade, though, and where they came up with VF is beyond me.
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I agree Coinfrog, I am not sure where they got the VF details from either.... Since I even felt F was generous. However, if they can make that assumption of VF, maybe there was a chance for a clean grade.
That VF sure looks a lot better than a F though ;)
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 Posted 09/29/2017  4:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list

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That VF sure looks a lot better than a F though ;)
I agree.
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 Posted 09/29/2017  6:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moxking to your friends list
Definitely one to sell so you can get a nice non-detail example with some of that money. Any kind of VF on that is a gift.
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 Posted 09/29/2017  6:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add UltraRant to your friends list
No one thinks this is VF? I remember we have a thread on the Main Coin Forum about the worst coins on ebay where people once posted an incorrect TPG slab for an even bigger premium. It may be worth a try.

Nevertheless, congrats on getting a VF on this one. I may be getting blind, but I see why, as it's better than F. It'd call it a weak VF, or VF- or F+ with the benefit of the doubt, whatever you like best.
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You would grade a Lincoln with a completely flat jaw and incomplete wheat lines as VF? This is VG by the book.
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 Posted 09/29/2017  8:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nickelsearcher to your friends list
This is indeed a better result than could be expected.

Good news is PCGS authentic ... I'm not convinced about the VF opinion ... but in fact a 'details' coin is exactly that.
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 Posted 09/30/2017  12:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
Food for thought: How might a coin become so flattened on the obverse while retaining what look like full wheat stalk lines on the reverse?
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 Posted 09/30/2017  3:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Earle42 to your friends list
Great news!

To be nice I will refrain, this time, from remarks about TPGs.

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Food for thought: How might a coin become so flattened on the obverse while retaining what look like full wheat stalk lines on the reverse?


Is this a hypothetical question? Or do you know the answer?
I have always wondered the same thing. You would think a circulated coin would have the same wear throughout the coin.

I have seen that in many instances where 1 side looks many times better than the others
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Is this a hypothetical question?


Not hypothetical. He's politely telling people they need to start grading a coin by the whole coin and not just pick one point and focus on that. A reverse that strong with flatness on the obverse leads to different conclusions than micro-focus grading

Edit: to add that part of grading is to consider how or why and learning how to consider that. It isn't just a blind process of saying this is missing in this one point so it can only be maxed out at x.
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 Posted 10/01/2017  01:40 am  Show Profile   Check spru's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add spru to your friends list
Congrats on Genuine!

As for the other points, that selling it to fund a straight grade coin is a good idea.

Also, I agree that (excluding the details designation) I would grade it at F-12. Not a VF coin to my eyes with the pics given.

Still, it's a score overall.
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