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The Cheapest Otho Denarius I'll Ever Have?

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 Posted 10/03/2017  9:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list
Interesting coin and I agree that the rev damage is odd. It looks puposeful, like the prior owner was trying to remove the rev details, but not in an orderly way such as if this were going to be mounted or turned into a love token. Also, some of the gouges look pretty large and have exposed deep portions of the coin. Those inner recesses all look like silver, right?
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 Posted 10/03/2017  9:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Paul Bulgerin to your friends list
No copper shows anywhere on the reverse, even with all the gouges. That's why I think it is silver.
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 Posted 10/03/2017  10:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list
Exactly my thinking why this likely isn't a fouree. I'll be interested to hear what some of the other folks think as well.
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 Posted 10/03/2017  10:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list
Usually if a coin is defaced they do it to the obverse, strange to see it done to the reverse.
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 Posted 10/04/2017  01:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add FVRIVS RVFVS to your friends list
Otho wore a "rug" did he not ?
(he is one of my MIA's ..... no bronze !)
This fellow shows quite a bit of roof

I am tempted to think it may have been a low grade Vespasian that someone tooled to make it look like someone they know.
A gift for uncle Willie.
Either way it appears to be unique !
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 Posted 10/04/2017  09:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moxking to your friends list
it appears you've discovered one of those fun mysteries that is difficult to decipher. My first thought would have been Otho too.
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 Posted 10/04/2017  10:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Finn235 to your friends list
Occam's razor says assume it's an early Vespasian and work from there.

That said, I don't see any indication of a laurel, nor signs of removing one. Vespasian issued very few bare headed denarii, none of them facing right.

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 Posted 10/05/2017  02:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add arnoldoe to your friends list

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I spent $35 to win a three coin lot of low grade denarii from the ebay seller "ancientground". This seller has 9500+ feedback and, as far as I can tell from the other coins he offers, is not offering fakes.

I can see multiple fakes among the coins he is selling + he is on fake sellers lists..
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he is on fake sellers lists..


Where is the fake sellers list please?

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 Posted 10/05/2017  09:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Palouche to your friends list
Thanks!
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 Posted 10/05/2017  10:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Paul Bulgerin to your friends list
Thanks! I had not seen that.

So, maybe it's not a real . . . defaced . . . whatever . . . Otho after all.
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I'm sure it's not Otho, Paul. The features are not right. A bare headed Vespasian is a better candidate, despite the rarity factor. Another better candidate is Vitellius. His entire first series of coins was bareheaded, and he also has the portly look we associate with Vitellius. But judging by the appearance, I would look for someone from the Imperatorial period. Some of those coins had a portrait on both sides, one of which may have been effaced on your coin. RSC illustrates such a coin of Lepidus and Augustus which actually could be a candidate. Late Republican figure perhaps?

As to the defacing of the reverse, I would not read too much into that. It may have been done as a dammnatio (intentionally misspelled), of course, or it may have been done centuries after the fact as a special prep of the reverse for mounting the coin on something portrait side out. Since the obverse inscription was already naturally effaced, no need to deface anything there. What is left is an image of a portly old man.
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 Posted 10/11/2017  5:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Paul Bulgerin to your friends list
I sold the other two worn denarii that came with this one, so I got a good portion of my $35 back.

I'm still not sure if it's a deliberately beaten up modern fake or something else. I'm working on creating side-by-side shots of this coin with Otho, Vitellius and Vespasian. It continues to provide me with some numismatic detective fun.
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It continues to provide me with some numismatic detective fun.


"If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb

"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
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