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Bedrock of the Community
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Sorry, what are you asking here? Any changes in you thoughts about the grade? Thanks to all!  IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.comEdited by numismatic student
10/12/2017 9:05 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
10982 Posts |
It looks like it could straight grade in these images. Camera angles and lighting can do amazing things in both ways. My guess would be the coin was dipped decades ago and has started a pretty re-toning process. Based on the latest images I would say AU53. Oh and the price seems much more reasonable as well.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Weird. I examined the coin carefully with a 5x and 7x loupe. Found no evidence of any of the hairlines in the seller's pictures. Thanks for the input. As a follow-up, I have seen quite a few au55s and au58s. I see them with stars and talons worn flat. Where are you seeing the wear that places this coin at au53? Appreciate your continued help. IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
10982 Posts |
53 was based on rubs on the bust and tip of cap coupled with a (likely) dip and partial re-toning. Could just as easily be a 55 too.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
11902 Posts |
Thanks!
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
5683 Posts |
I'd say AU-55. Definitely some wear on the shield, hair, and cap. Great looking coin, and interesting that the hairlines or striations disappeared.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3210 Posts |
Au55 nice piece. Just goes to show you can get nicer coins than what the pics show on ebay or auction sites. |
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Moderator
 United States
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Take it out into sunlight. If that's the same coin, those hairlines are still there; you just haven't observed or lit it from the right angle. Sunlight is brutal, and will not receive you. I'm on lunch, posting from my phone, and can't see enough detail to be sure it's the same coin.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
11902 Posts |
Thanks guys. Having trouble capturing the in hand luster of this coin. I also took some photos of the surface at angles. The photos in the original post that don't look round are like that because I was trying to capture the surface at an angle to see the hairlines. I looked at the coin with a 5x, 7x and 10x loupe and under different lighting conditions to see if the hairlines were there. Nothing. Quote:
Take it out into sunlight. Dave, it is a very overcast here today and there is little direct sunlight. I will do sunlight when it returns. In the meantime, I took the coin out of the 2x2 so that I could photograph it directly. This is under bright incandescent light with no flash: ![1830-Capped-Bust-Half-Dollar-[in-Hand-Pics]](uploaded/numismatic student/20171013_1830-CBHD-00atih-Obv-_2_.jpg) ![1830-Capped-Bust-Half-Dollar-[in-Hand-Pics]](uploaded/numismatic student/20171013_1830-CBHD-00atih-Rev-_2_.jpg) Then since I don't have reasonable sunlight at the moment, I took a couple of shots forcing the flash to go off which counter-intuitively made the coin look darker. It shows the surface differently. Thoughts appreciated and thanks again folks! ![1830-Capped-Bust-Half-Dollar-[in-Hand-Pics]](uploaded/numismatic student/20171013_1830-CBHD-00atih-flash-Obv-_2_-ccfopt.jpg) ![1830-Capped-Bust-Half-Dollar-[in-Hand-Pics]](uploaded/numismatic student/20171013_1830-CBHD-00atih-flash-Rev-_2_-ccfopt.jpg) IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.comEdited by numismatic student
10/13/2017 12:25 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
10982 Posts |
Looks more like a dip and wipe rather than a harsh cleaning to me. It's likely going to be 50/50 at a TPG for problem-free but that's a lot better than it originally looked. |
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Valued Member
United States
288 Posts |
Would the TPGs deduct points for a dip and wipe if they do straight grade?
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Bedrock of the Community
Canada
11922 Posts |
AU-55, and I like it.  |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
11902 Posts |
My air-tight holder was 32mm, designed for later halves, and did not fit the 33.5mm earlier bust halves. I ordered some of Albanese's 2x2 intercept shield holders which were cheaper than the air-tights - just $1.33 a piece for 3 including shipping. What a bargain! I had not used them before but they seem really nice. I like that they do not roll away and tuck away nicely in 2x2 boxes. Today was the first sunny day but didn't have the coin with me during the day. Maybe I will try to take a pic in sunlight tomorrow. ![1830-Capped-Bust-Half-Dollar-[in-Hand-Pics]](uploaded/numismatic student/20171016_1830-CBHD-Intercept-Shield-Obv-_2_-ccfopt.jpg) ![1830-Capped-Bust-Half-Dollar-[in-Hand-Pics]](uploaded/numismatic student/20171016_1830-CBHD-Intercept-Shield-Rev-_2_-ccfopt.jpg) IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3479 Posts |
Probably cleaned and retoned but as long as your happy with it, that's all that matters.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
11902 Posts |
Finally got a chance to take a picture in direct sunlight. ![1830-Capped-Bust-Half-Dollar-[in-Hand-Pics]](uploaded/numismatic student/20171017_000-1830-CBHD-obv-sunlight-1-ccfopt.jpg) ![1830-Capped-Bust-Half-Dollar-[in-Hand-Pics]](uploaded/numismatic student/20171017_000-1830-CBHD-rev-sunlight-1-ccfopt.jpg) IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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