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"Dipped" Franklin Half Dollars ?

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 Posted 10/22/2017  2:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moxking to your friends list
How do you dip a coin without removing some of the surface of the coin?

You say there is an undetectable way to do it.

Please explain.
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 Posted 10/22/2017  2:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list

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You say there is an undetectable way to do it.


A properly dipped one is undetectable. People just assume it was for looking to good for it's age. If you can tell something was dipped it was either dipped to long or not properly rinsed afterwards. If it's done right the coin will retain its normal luster and ugly coins will generally grade better afterwards
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 Posted 10/22/2017  2:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add T-BOP to your friends list
When and if I dip a coin it's only for 1 to 3 seconds . I cannot see the coin loosing some of it's surface for this amount of time, even using high magnification .
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 Posted 10/22/2017  3:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list

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How do you dip a coin without removing some of the surface of the coin?

You say there is an undetectable way to do it.

Please explain.


Dipping (by the definition we're using) always removes some of the coin's surface. Done right, including having a favorable candidate coin for the process, the coin has enough to spare that the result is not visible even to an expert.
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 Posted 10/22/2017  3:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
Absolutely agree.
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 Posted 10/23/2017  1:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list

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Dipping (by the definition we're using) always removes some of the coin's surface. Done right, including having a favorable candidate coin for the process, the coin has enough to spare that the result is not visible even to an expert.
I agree.

This is a skill that requires finesse. And practice. A lot of practice. You will probably ruin several coins before you get it right, if you ever get it right at all.

It is something that typically only works once per coin. The next time could ruin it. This is important to realize because it could be you who is dipping a coin for its second time. If the first time was done properly, you would never know it.

This is why it is something I will never attempt. My time is better spent getting myself a satisfactory coin in the first place.
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 Posted 10/23/2017  2:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add UltraRant to your friends list

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The next time could will ruin it.


There, I fixed it for you.
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 Posted 10/23/2017  3:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list
Funny thing is that is closer to how I originally worded it: The next time would ruin it.
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 Posted 11/04/2017  12:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ImTBM to your friends list
I saw a YouTube video where they would dip their junk silver to make it look better. It seems like a good option if dipping only junk silver that was not under-graded and is really only worth the silver value alone. I understand not using it on junk coins that were under-graded and have some numismatic value on top of the silver value. Am I off base thinking it OK/good in this instance?
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 Posted 11/04/2017  3:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
You buy junk silver purely for the intrinsic value of the base metal. Why would appearance matter? And why would you want to remove some of that metal - lessening the weight - to make it so?
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I assume they are attracting more bidders/buyers when selling their junk...I don't see most junk silver sold by weight, but instead by face value. If this is the case it would not matter to them if it did weigh less. They probably end up with a higher priced sale with better looking coins. Am I off on my read here SsuperDdave?
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 Posted 11/04/2017  7:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list

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Am I off on my read here SsuperDdave?


Not necessarily; I'm not into that market and am well aware of the bizarre behavior buyers can display. You could be right.

Percentage of face is just the method of quantifying how much you're selling/asking/buying which has developed over the years. It makes things easier to visualize, especially considering most junk silver is 90% and to offer/buy as metal weight you'd either have to do a conversion or trust one has been done.
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 Posted 11/04/2017  8:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinlover1899 to your friends list
It all depends on what you dip the coin in. Some concoctions will ruin coins and others won't.
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 Posted 11/04/2017  8:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list

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I assume they are attracting more bidders/buyers when selling their junk...I don't see most junk silver sold by weight, but instead by face value. If this is the case it would not matter to them if it did weigh less. They probably end up with a higher priced sale with better looking coins.


The better looking ones might sell quicker, but most buyers buying "junk" silver just care about face and spot. Once you start getting into the premiums on top or a numismatic condition premiums you're really talking about something different than the junk silver market.

Most dealers won't take the time or effort to dip coins that they're going to sell as junk silver, they may pick the ones out that they know could have numismatic value but the rest wouldn't be worth their time.
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 Posted 11/05/2017  12:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ImTBM to your friends list
I would not know what to dip the coins in or how to do it (though it seems there are video on how to do just about everything now...lol). I guess I'm just thinking out loud here. All of this is new to me. I had a semi interest in starting to buy silver near the start of this year but had no knowledge on how to start purchasing some or how to price it. My knowledge ended with 1964 & earlier was silver for some US coins. I started watching some silver coins selling at a local weekly auction I go to (where I would buy some antiques). I overpaid for a couple rolls of dimes, but caught up to actual pricing quick enough. A few months ago I got shut out of buying anything 1 week and kind of went crazy. I got home from the auction Thursday night. By Monday morning I had paid for my 1st ebay orders and had over 2 pounds of silver shipping to me. I was buying anything silver with no thought behind it other than trying to buy as close to spot as possible. I bought hundreds of War Nickels on ebay, then bough some coin silver spoons & a sterling bowl at the local auction. I bought a dozen+ pieces of jewelry from one E-Bayer. Then I had an antique dealer I know test it all for me (I ended up returning 3 items). At this point I think I want to grow a stack of mostly rounds & bars for as close to scrap as possible. Right now I have a higher percentage of junk silver to rounds but will change that as I move forward. At some point I would like to start adding some better pieces of silver to the stack, but I am not at that point right now. Like I just told someone on a different thread about Lincoln Cents I'm enjoying myself learning about these coins (both the cents & the silver) and notes. This is only new once. I'm enjoying all of my new 1st's as they come.
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