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Pillar of the Community
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Hopefully someone who knows these will comment.
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Three different bidders thought it was
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Three different bidders thought it was
And, tellingly, all three have well over a thousand feedbacks. It would take monumental levels of stupidity to reach that level while remaining ignorant of the pitfalls of deceptive coins. Not that it isn't possible (  ), but three of 'em in one place isn't likely.  |
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Looks like a "hot lips" variety ....  |
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And, tellingly, all three have well over a thousand feedbacks. It would take monumental levels of stupidity to reach that level while remaining ignorant of the pitfalls of deceptive coins. Not that it isn't possible ( ), but three of 'em in one place isn't likely. That was my initial thought as well. I'm not familiar with what that is supposed to be but it seems like some bidders thought it was something special. Even the fourth bigger had bid at least 400 so I would assume there appears to be something more there. |
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Bedrock of the Community
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It is a 1787, draped bust left, small letters.
The obverse was struck twice, the second strike being off-center to the north-northwest and rotated about 45 degrees counterclockwise.
The reverse features the mirror image indicative of a partial brockage; in this case, the previously-struck coin, sequentially, stayed partially in the anvil die, and this piece was then struck, resulting in a mirror-image transfer of the preceding coin's obverse to the reverse of this example.
I think this may be a Miller 24-g.3, although I don't have the book in front of me; if so, that would explain the bidding level, said variety being R6 and presumably scarcer still with the double errors - there aren't that many reverses that use ET-LIB with the hyphen and have the branch-hand hitting the : after INDE nor that many obverses which have a single stop instead of a colon after CONNEC (CONNEC. instead of CONNEC:)
I can see why some particularly eager C4 members or other enthusiasts might be interested...
I would be desiring professional authentication before making such a purchase, at any rate.
Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890 "Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis Edited by paralyse
10/22/2017 8:18 pm
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Pillar of the Community
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Thanks for the excellent analysis.
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Pillar of the Community
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I haven't had time to nail down the variety, but it is not 24-g.3. I believe the errors are where the interest lies. I know the under bidder is a very well known collector and definitely knew what he was doing.
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Pillar of the Community
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When you consider the general rarity of colonial copper, coupled with the additional rarity of multiple errors coins in general, it doesn't really surprise me.
I'll also bet this is the only one out there.
Seller had something that attracted colonial buyers, as well as error buyers.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Yup, checked, it's not 24-g.3 or g.5, I brought the book tonight so I will check when I get home to see if I can match the reverse and obverse dies.
Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890 "Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis |
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I can't ID it off hand. Maybe a potential unknown one hence the high bidding?
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Pillar of the Community
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Reverse looks to have an off center brockage strike.
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Bedrock of the Community
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I spent over two hours with Breen and Bowers and looked at pretty darn near every DBL Connie identified by Miller and even some that were later discoveries and could not find a match for this particular combination of obverse and reverse dies. Every time I nailed down the obverse, I couldn't find a reverse die pair known to Miller that matched it, and vice versa. Either this is an unknown die pairing, or there's some funny business going on.
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I believe it may be a new variety, a known obverse paired with a known reverse.
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