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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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24 grams scares the heck out of me, that is way to light for the condition of the coin. and if its fake it puts the other 2 in question as well because of the dates even though the weight seems rather in check I would really check them out good to make sure, but I will almost bet the Carson City coin isn't real with that weight
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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These coins scare me. All I collect are Morgans, and I am having a hard time finding visual faults with the 1889 cc. The weight is off by too much which pretty much guarantees that it's a fake. I have this picture from a Chinese counterfeit ring, look at the date. The 1889 cc is a valuable coin, which puts it high on the counterfeit list. They tumble the coins and then tone them artificially to make them look circulated. I would double check the weight and then have a dealer look at it. I would hate to be wrong when I say it's fake. It might even be worth the money to send it in to get graded.  Edited by NGiles
05/13/2008 01:24 am
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Pillar of the Community
United States
628 Posts |
I'm a little suspicious of the filled in denticles, reverse, near ONE in one dollar. ( on the CC )
Edited by m9frank
05/13/2008 07:54 am
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1130 Posts |
I'd suspect the CC is fake. That coin is not worn enough to justify the weight difference.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
17884 Posts |
The 89 could be worn slick and it wouldn't lose enough weight to take it down to 24 grams. I'd say the 95-O is also a fake (Date placement is odd, digits not even and the 5 is too big.) The 95-O is also a semi key date.
Nothing jumps out at me on the 84-S screaming fake, but since it is also a better date, and has been a target of the Chinese counterfeiters, and since it appears the other two are fake I'm afraid it carries a stigma of guilt by association, and I would assume it is fake until proven otherwise.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1984 Posts |
 The 1884 looks the most real; the other two not so much. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
628 Posts |
I hate to admit this, but this post has made me think a lot more about Counterfeit Detection and my own knowledge and skill. I got the scale out last night to weigh some morgan and Peace dollars. Thanks for the post! |
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Australia
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New Member
 United States
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Hi everyone thanks for your replies, my wife actually had another one in her draw at work she brought home today here it is posted below. I guess its even more rare then the others, this one actually measures out between 26 and 27 (its a meat scale what else can I ask for) I posted pictures below so you can see, what do you think?   |
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United States
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1893 S.....100,000 minted, and previous coins....I'd have to be leary. I'd guess in the EF range if original, and worth getting authenticated/graded. My grade MAY have been biased by previous coins. Somebody must be dumping them so as not to raise TOO much suspicion perhaps?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
709 Posts |
I would be shocked if any were genuine. For starters, too many key dates. Book it Dano..Counterfeit.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
527 Posts |
What bank does your wife work at? I would work there for free if I could pick up coins like those.  There is one of four things happening here. 1- Some old senile lady is selling off her dead husbands fortune for pennies. (Someone please inform this person of what they are doing.) 2- Someone is dumping counterfeit junk, or stolen property.(I don't know why they would do it at a bank.) 3- These are stolen and we are being used to find out what they are worth, and how to sell them. (Please don't take offence, but it is possible.) 4- You are making counterfeit coins, and you are looking for our feedback so you can make improvements. (Also possible, and once again no offence intended. I really don't think this is the case.) I hope either of the latter two is not true, but it wouldn't be the first time we have been duped here. The sad thing is, in any of these cases, someone is getting taken behind the woodshed. I can see random old coins showing up at a bank, but this many Morgan dollars, and this rare? Something fishy is going on.  I think your wife's bank should be put on notice to watch for who is bringing them in. They could stop a criminal, or help some old grandma buy her denture cream, either way it sounds like the right thing to do to me. I think I would let the police know about this as well. Edited by NGiles
05/15/2008 02:01 am
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Let me guess, your wife works for the Bank of Beijing? The 93-s is as fake as the others, and not a very good attempt at that.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
1267 Posts |
Here's how the 1893 SHOULD have appeared..........  and the coin in question............  Image:  fake.jpg21.97 KB Image: 1893-sdate.jpg39.65 KB Edited by hadleydog
05/15/2008 02:29 am
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Moderator
 United States
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Well, this got out of hand to the extent that I needed to remove a post. In the future, guys, I need you to be more....diplomatic in your choice of phrasing.
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Posted 05/13/2008 01:20 am
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