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Pillar of the Community
United States
992 Posts |
Pistareen is precisely correct.
If you want to consider your coin collection to be an investment, then you have to treat it as such. That means you purchase the best quality in classic material you can afford, preserve it, and put it by for decades. I'm of the opinion that it's not really 'my' coin collection, it belongs to the family. It may not be sold for 50 or 100 years, in order to get the full benefit of appreciation. You can obtain a great deal of satisfaction in building a collection in that manner, even though I will be long gone at the time it is sold.
It also means I'm not buying anything from the world's mints that was issued after, say, 1965. If I want to have a secondary collection that is just for my personal enjoyment, and not to be considered as an investment, that's fine, but we should not delude ourselves or our families as the worth of our collections. The album of Lincoln pennies is fun, the slabbed items are the investment.
Edited by paxbrit 01/10/2018 12:56 pm
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Rest in Peace
United States
17900 Posts |
If you buy junk it will always be junk, and there is a LOT of junk. If you buy beautiful coins that you LOVE, others will likely love them too. Please point out the auction house, coin dealer, or web base that's reduced their prices in the last 3-4 years. This is a constant blather on this site, and frankly, I'm tired of listening to it. I've fought like a beast in the last year to buy coins I love and they are MORE expensive, not less. I had my head handed to me last night on a 66 Liberty nickel, 1883, no cents sold on Heritage. I bid to TWICE ask and wasn't even the underbidder. Finish your inventory, keep it updated, form your want list, list preferred grade and price range. Investment? Maybe not. Tossing money to the wind. Also not.
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Pillar of the Community
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Quote: Is coin collecting dead as an investment? Like others have said: Unless you're a professional dealer or trader....forget it! If I had to make a living out of coin collecting or investing in coins, I would have starved long ago. I never met a financial advisor that said but coins in your portfolio. If it was, it's at the bottom of the list. I would venture to say, it's not on the list at all. I would dump my entire collection into a slot machine before I would ever consider it as an investment.
Edited by USSID18 01/10/2018 6:08 pm
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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Quote: I never met a financial advisor that said put coins in your portfolio. If it was, it's at the bottom of the list. I would venture to say, it's not on the list at all. I agree 99% of the time but there are exceptions,going back to the 1960's,and even into the 1970's, the 1930 Aust. Penny was regarded as a excellent Investment by the major Coin Dealers and Numismatic Societies and it often appeared in Newsletters as 'the' Coin to buy. As I posted in another Thread one of the major US Coin Dealers had his agent buying all available 1930 Coins back in the 1960's which inflated prices for a year or so.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
94367 Posts |
The more you study and the more you learn, the better equipped you'll be to actually "invest" in coins for an above-average long term return. Many, many intelligent collectors have done so for decades and even centuries. It's no different than in any other hard-asset field (fine paintings, sculpture, and so on) or even financial assets. You have to know your subject, and if you do, you can make money. 
Edited by Coinfrog 01/10/2018 6:19 pm
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
908 Posts |
I think there's money to be made but not by everyone.You need to do a lot of research and choose an area that you like and know it inside and out .I have done well by placing wanted adds.buying cheap on ebay and facebook or dealer auctions but the key is to become an expert and know what you are collecting
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Valued Member
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Stamps are very much dead as an investment unless they are the elite stamps that are sought after, and well as to coins - maybe not so much.
I do it because I seen my first 1930 penny way way back when it was a few hundred bucks and was captivated and been collecting ever since.
I don't have a big collection, I place the focus squarely on quality and will scout for months (and save) until I find a premium example of what I want, then I spend a small fortune on that coin.
I have all Australian key dates except the mule halfpenny and I guess I will bequeath them to someone in the family.
One coin I that is not an investment is the 1923 halfpenny - mine purchased 10 years ago is cheaper today, maybe that's a recession thing, I don't know.
Best of luck to you.
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
1333 Posts |
No and yes like any investment there are risks so it up to you if you want to or not. However if you believe that its a good investment for the long term I would caution against that even tho I like coins and would love to see them go up in value, lets not kidd ourselves compare it to art.
I mean if you invested in gold bullion or coins pre-lraq war you made money when you sold or the bought pre hunt brothers silver cornering and the early silver ramp 2011ish and then sold you made your monies worth. However I would still advise stocks for long term growth. Dont put all your eggs in one basket!
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Pillar of the Community
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It's not investment but I'll give you my financial advise in three words, and I won't even charge you! "GET DEBT FREE"
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Pillar of the Community
 Canada
665 Posts |
Was it ever an investment? If your goal is to invest, then you need to look at the buy/sell spread for any given investment. For precious metals, the spread is less for wafers or bars vs. bullion coins at any weight level so a metal investor would hold bars or wafers. If you want to multiply your results, purchase the stock of a reputable mining company. Coin collecting is a hobby. You should collect what interests you and what you enjoy. For some that is Doulton figurines, others collect classic cars, for those of more modest means, car models. I enjoy collecting coins; I am drawn to their aesthetic, the history, the backstory of the coin's creation. While a fairly un-interesting coin series aesthetically, I personally am drawn to the series of James II Irish Gun Money from the 1689-1690 period... The whole concept of melting scrap brass, church bells and the odd cannon to provide a period version of quantitative easing is fascinating. There is money to be made but as other posters have commented, it is usually in high grade, rare circulation coins. Buy mint product, be it from the Perth Mint, The Royal Mint, the Canadian Mint or any other national mint and you will realize a net loss in value over any short or medium term. The mints have squeezed the maximum value out of the product at the initial point of sale. Most RCM silver proofs sell for approx 5x bullion value; it will take a long time for bullion silver to rise sufficiently for you to recover your buy-in price. In addition, most RCM silver proofs are minted in sufficient quantity that there is no real supply constraint that may cause value to climb. The Royal Mint and Perth Mints have similar markups and mintages. Finally, most mints have not come to terms with the threat of low cost counterfeits that are flooding the market... nor do they really care that much. The threat of counterfeit coins has impacted and will continue to impact the market for raw coins and there are even a few threads on this forum where respected TPG companies have been accused of certifying counterfeits. If you want to collect coins... treat it as a hobby... enjoy the hunt, revel in the history and build a knowledge and experience base from the learning that goes along with the pursuit of any hobby. If you want to retire comfortably or leave a nest egg for future generations, there are many paths you can follow... I just don't recommend coin collecting if that is your goal.
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Valued Member
Australia
145 Posts |
NOTE... What about all those poor souls who invested there hard earned with the Rare Coin Company..1.8 Million dollar fraud..FAAAARc..
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Valued Member
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Quote: If you want to collect coins... treat it as a hobby... enjoy the hunt, revel in the history and build a knowledge and experience base from the learning that goes along with the pursuit of any hobby. Yeah, that's what I do. It's a hobby. I'm far too honest to be a coin dealer. Love the hunt, yup. Revel constantly in the history.. far out. Knowledge increasing daily..soon I'll know everything. Also I collect silver coins because silver will always have value, even if the world's economies implode and all is lost - I know one of my 1932 florins will buy me a happy meal.  ..and when a coin collector is hungry ^^ that's what really matters.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Quote: Of course people also buy because they like the coin plain and simple (which I have done because I like a series, or the dates/theme for my kids), I'm looking at it from an investment view. Thoughts? - I find this topic interesting because I've often thought about it myself. - I agree with many of the posters who have replied "yes" and "no." If you're going to buy because you "like a series, or the dates/themes for" your kids than I'd say "no" (not a good investment). If you're seriously considering collecting coins as an investment- then the kids (or series) should be the last criteria that would guide you. As a few posters eluded to: you need to know your stuff. Now, I'm not replying from a coin buyer's (or collector's) perspective but rather from someone who collects (buys/sells) Canadian paper money. I'm also NOT primarily an investor but also a collector- so take my opinion with a grain of salt. Be that as it may: an investor should be buying (& selling) "well." That means (I believe) putting the most money he/she can afford to the highest graded rarest note (coin) he/she can afford. {Forget quantity & focus on quality} Remember that people don't necessarily buy simply what is rare- but what also is popular (or has extreme eye appeal). In a lot of cases (esp online) you'll want to turn to TPG material because you cannot inspect the note (coin) in person and that TPG grade ensures you've got something highly graded by a 3rd party. If you're seriously considering the hobby as an investment vehicle you must brush up on your grading skills so you know what you're buying. The other factor not yet discussed is: when and where you buy (& sell). When I first started to buy online (from ebay) I felt the market was pretty "hot" so a lot of the material I bought back then has probably sat "idle" as an investment (& may even have depreciated). Because I never consider what I buy as "junk" I'll either sell it (to break even) or "gift" it to my nephews/nieces (see them appreciate it now). However, I've learned from my past mistakes and have bought more and more material while the sellers market was "soft" and I believe got some fairly good "deals" on special numbers, and rare change-overs, series. However, generally speaking I avoid "deals" like the plague because most often there's something wrong with the note (coin) when it is being sold undervalued (pressed or soiled). Since brushing up on what's collectible (& what's not) I've also found some "beauties" issued right from the bank (for face value). These rare items should spell "nothing but profit." However, do I dump them now or hold onto them until the market is itching for them? I've also turned to buying people's collections (i.e. where you buy). I usually offer a fair price (which is much less than book) to people who are eager to sell. I have yet to sell any of this "stock" but be assured I will make a small profit on the notes when I decide the market has improved enough to sell. Now all of the above depends on "when" so again- lets hope the world economy doesn't unravel into the toilet- or otherwise everything I wrote here is meaningless! LOL 
Edited by walk2dwater 06/01/2018 6:03 pm
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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@stan - people lost a lot more than $1.8M, that was just the amount stolen (not fraud but criminal theft) by its director Rob Jackman.
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Valued Member
United States
112 Posts |
I agree when it is said that rare coins will always be in demand.
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