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This Was In My Late Dad's Coin Collection (Id: Likely 20th Century Australia Cent Love Token)

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 Posted 06/07/2008  3:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list
Those scans are a bit better, but not detailed enough to ascertain the actual process.
On the obverse, I'm seeing a beveled edge, and I don't think it came from the mint that way.
You might measure the coin. A Canadian cent from this era will be around 19mm, and a large penny should be around 30-31mm wide, depending on the amount of tooling.

Other than my guess it's either an Aus or UK Penny from around 1937-52 tooled to be a pocket piece, what do think it might be? You'll probably get some more feedback by posting in the Aus predecimal forum. Good luck!
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06/07/2008 4:02 pm
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 Posted 06/07/2008  4:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dolly to your friends list
Hello. Yes it is that wide. I have no idea as I just inherited this one in amongst 900 others. All Australian half pennies, pennies and couple of threepences. Thankyou for your input and patience with my pics. I have the scanner working and posted in the oz error forum some error silver coins.
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 Posted 06/07/2008  4:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list
"...All Australian half pennies, pennies"

Wow! You know, it's quite possible you have something valuable in there. PM me, and I'll send you a scan of AUS penny values. There are a number of nice pennies such as 1914, 1915, 1918, 1925, 1930 (very rare), 1946, etc. There are some very good halfpennies too, such as the 1915-H, 1923, 1939 roo, and a few others.
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06/07/2008 4:19 pm
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 Posted 06/07/2008  4:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dolly to your friends list
Hello. I will go through them now and look for those dates. I will post in a few minutes. Thankyou for your interest and help.
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 Posted 06/07/2008  4:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dolly to your friends list
Hello. These are all in some funny order - not in date order. I will sort them and post in the next few days. Thankyou
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 Posted 06/07/2008  6:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nevol to your friends list
As Kurt suggested, this one looks like it been tooled.

From one of the pics, it appears to have some little marks in 3 places around the edge, is it possible it's been mounted in something, perhaps maybe a fob piece?

Was your Dad rather sentimental about the Royals?

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 Posted 06/07/2008  7:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dolly to your friends list
Hello. No sentiments for the royals at all. I remember him showing me this about 15 years ago and laughing as he didn't know what it was. The problem is the blank reverse if you look under the microscope has a ghost. If that were tooled then how could that remain there in the centre and yet the back is still relatively level. There are no grind marks. There is one nick only in the side of the coin about at the top - the other is some dot type stain. Thankyou for your comment. Is this a common thing? I mean are the pictures of this type of thing around? Veronica
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 Posted 06/07/2008  7:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list
"If that were tooled then how could that remain there in the centre and yet the back is still relatively level."

Veronica, I think I know what you mean on the reverse. I see that on US cents as well as larger AUS pennies. I've heard it happens when they adjust the press for a worn die and some of the die pressure from the obverse transfers through to the reverse of the coin. Even if the reverse was polished some way, you may still see the ghost image because the metal hardness has been affected by the strike.
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 Posted 06/07/2008  7:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dolly to your friends list
Hello. You guys are great! I have been up for hours looking at these coins. I find this one interesting that there are no indents and that on the face side it is so even. I am amazed the rim is gone - outide of coin is smooth and also those little marks at the end of the neck. Do you know of any other examples (pictures) of this type of thing. I am looking at a 1942 penny where the head is showing through on the roo side. I am also looking at thin plancetts my dad kept (half pennies). So he was aware of errors I think. This coin apparently weighs less than a penny should. I did take it in to be looked at but the coin guy told me it was probably some soldier during the war tampering with it. The coin guy did look at it for a long time and he also looked at serveral books. I am interested in this tampering business now as its facinating! Would you like a picture of the 1942 penny I was just talking about? Veronica
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 Posted 06/07/2008  10:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gnome to your friends list
Have a look around here.
See if anything on Triton's page will help you to identify some of your coins.
Some of the coins are pretty common errors, like the diecrack on the threepence, looks like some diechips and diefills as well.
Have a look here as well, these are some of my items.
The albums are listed down the side of the page, hope this helps out a bit.
I'm sorry, but without clearer pics, I am having problems identifying some of the coins.
Eyes aren't what they used to be.
Good luck
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 Posted 06/07/2008  10:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gnome to your friends list
I think I may have posted in the wrong thread, appologies.
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 Posted 06/08/2008  04:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list

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...the coin guy told me it was probably some soldier during the war tampering with it....I am interested in this tampering business now as its facinating!

What the dealer was referring to is called "trench art" - soldiers that whiled away the boring hours on duty or in the trenches by taking convenient objects (like coins, shell casings, ration tins etc) and making all kinds of widgets and artwork out of them. Not entirely unlike the "scrimshaw" artefacts of sailors in the age of sail.

The reverse of this coin has been completely filed away. I suspect the soldier (or whoever) was in the process of making this penny into what is known as a "love token" - a coin with one or both sides filed away, and their initials or some kind of inscription of love and devotion carved into the blank side. The love token would then be sent back to their wife/girlfriend/mother/etc as a memento of their young man on the front lines. If so, this penny was either rejected by the person who made it, they were interrupted before they could finish it, or maybe it originally did have someone's name carved there, and the recipient (for whatever reason) filed the name off again.

Unfortunately, we'll never know for sure, because this piece has become detached from it's "story". Trench art and love tokens are popular with some collectors, especially where the stories behind their making are known. Other collectors would simply see it as a "ruined coin".

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...I am looking at a 1942 penny where the head is showing through on the roo side...

This effect is known as ghosting, and is commonly seen on coins that are relatively large and thin, with high relief designs. Predecimal pennies of Britain and Australia were especially prone to it. It's not normally considered a "mint error", as it's cause is more a systematic failure in the ability to design a coin properly, rather than a temporary flaw or aberration in the production process. Only very severely ghosted coins tend to attract any premium, and in some cases it's the coins that don't show any trace of ghosting that attract a premium.
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 Posted 06/08/2008  04:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add justabeginner to your friends list
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 Posted 06/08/2008  4:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dolly to your friends list
Hello. Here is a slideshow with lots of pictures that seem clearer. Veronica

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