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1944-S Lincoln Wheat Cent Two Mintmarks - Date In Hair

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 Posted 06/09/2008  7:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add seattleMD to your friends list
Assuming the person who re-struck this was smart enough to use the same date/mint mark and filed down the rims and parts of the secondary coin which they didn't want to strike the primary coin, and created a steel mold of the rear of the secondary coin to support and maintain its design during the strike --- how could you tell it was fake, besides sending it to the fed for verification?

What metal composition do they use for the striking equipment?
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 Posted 06/09/2008  8:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add seattleMD to your friends list
Ahh, as coop identified, you would basically have to re-cast the die as well so that the impression was of the proper alignment. If you spent the time to recast a die to strike the front and cast a metal mold to maintain the shape of the rear, you might as well just go the whole route and start minting funny money :)
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 Posted 06/09/2008  8:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pennypal to your friends list
The real odd thing about this damaged coin, is I sold it before I put this on the forum. And oh yes, it did sell for a lot more than .01 cents. And my hopes are extremely happy.

Thanks for the concern.

Patc
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 Posted 06/09/2008  8:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coppercoins to your friends list
All that means is that you ripped someone off with a damaged coin.
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 Posted 06/09/2008  9:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pennypal to your friends list
Mr. Daughtrey,

You don't know me, to say that I ripped someone off. That's how people get sued for slander. What gives you the right to say that I ripped my husband off, who works for a car dealership, which is using the coin in a marketing give-away. The odder the coin, the more unusual, the more errors the better they like them -- some businesses even use $2 dollar bills.

I would appreciate it if you would not make those kinds of statements about me -- simply because you don't know me.

Patc
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06/09/2008 9:50 pm
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 Posted 06/09/2008  10:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add foundinrolls to your friends list
Pennypal, this is not an attempt at slander or anything of the sort. Statements of truth, however are not slanderous.

The fact is that you sold a coin or are using a coin that you apparently did not describe correctly. That fact that you got more than 1 cent for as a damaged coin did not do the buyer a service even if it is your husband.

The fact is, as stated before. The lettering and details are impressed into the coin and reversed. That is exactly what happens when one coin is impressed into another one outside of the Mint.

It is unfortunate that the coin is being used as a marketing tool as it is probably being described as something it is not.

In the numismatic field they are known as "hammer jobs", "vise jobs" or "squeeze jobs".

Whether intentional or not and I fully suspect that your intention was not to sell or use a damaged coin, it is indeed what you did.

The folks who responded to your post are some of the most knowledgeable people in numismatics and the right thing to do would be to thank them and then let your husband know that he might be representing the coin incorrectly.

An incorrect representation on his part may open him up to legal action. This is just a friendly word of caution.

Thanks,
foundinrolls
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06/09/2008 10:09 pm
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 Posted 06/09/2008  10:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pennypal to your friends list
Thanks for the reply.

The fact of the matter is my husband, the business that bought it are also members of national coin clubs. And that is exactly how they described the coin in the give-away, full- blown picture, with the coin hanging on a key change. It's a one cent give-away with no resale value - which is pointed out in 12 foot letters.
I'm sure their legal department can handle that. And yes it does make a difference who I sold it too.

I not only described the coin, I put pictures up on this forum so people could see what the coin looks like. I said I disagreed with their opinion. That's all I said. I am not thanking anyone for insulting me just because they're experts. I don't need to put people down, to make myself look important. I'm sure of who I am.

I only asked a simply question, but trust me I won't bother anyone, here, any more.

Thanks.

Patc

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 Posted 06/09/2008  10:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list

Quote:
my husband, the business that bought it are also members of national coin clubs
If he is a member of a "national coin club" then he should be knowledgeable enough to be able to see that the coin is post-mint damage.

Quote:
I only asked a simply question

Multiple people answered your question, you refused to accept it- we only try to help but apparently you only want confirmation of your own wrong assumptions about a damaged coin.
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 Posted 06/09/2008  10:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Double Mint to your friends list
penny pal sry to say but that coin was definitely something that happened after it was made not while. My advice to you is to know what you are selling before you sell it. If you knew what you were selling you wouldnt post it on here as a question.
I also think you need to learn what slander means before accusing others.
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 Posted 06/10/2008  12:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add seattleMD to your friends list
Wow. Just wow.
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 Posted 06/10/2008  12:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add florida to your friends list
lol Reminds me of the other thread.
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 Posted 06/10/2008  12:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikediamond to your friends list
As others have said, this is a crude act of vandalism. Your cent was squeezed between or hammered between two other cents. All you need is a hammer, vise, or clamp.
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 Posted 06/10/2008  12:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list
If there's something I've learned from the experts on this forum, it's this: making any claim about an undocumented error/variety is very tenuous without providing a working model of the mint process that created this coin. Perhaps that's too rational/scientific...but the alternative is just emotion and wishful thinking. After stumbling through a few false ideas myself, I've come away with that.

Pennypal, despite the apparent contradiction...I'd be glad to get the straight facts from the experts who frequent this forum.
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06/10/2008 12:57 am
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 Posted 06/10/2008  12:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coppercoins to your friends list
My statement doesn't change; what I stated was factual. If you represented the coin as being worth more than face value and someone else received the coin thinking it was worth more than face value because of your representation, you ripped them off, regardless of whether you are related to the person or whether any money changed hands for the coin. If the receiver walked away thinking they had more than a damaged cent they were ripped off. That's not slander, it's a fact backed by your own image and your own statement.

Furthermore I don't need to know anyone to know whether they are ripping others off. I need to know the subject of what they are selling or representing, and in this case I do. Knowing the person who is committing the act is completely unimportant. The statement isn't about the person, it's about what the person is doing...if you don't like people saying you're ripping people off, then stop ripping people off. It's really that simple.

$2 bills aren't errors, they are normal. Your coin isn't an error, it's damaged. Tossing the word 'error' around like it's an all-encompassing excuse to sell something that doesn't look like every day pocket change is incorrect and irresponsible.
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06/10/2008 12:39 pm
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 Posted 06/10/2008  3:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chuckster 125 to your friends list
Penny Pal:

Before you do yourself a complete injustice by not staying on this forum, please allow me to give you a comparison regarding your coin:

I just had 2 1980 LMC's examined and returned by Mike Diamond, a leading numismatic expert especially in the field of Die Deterioration.

My two coins are post-mint damage- some knuckle-head decided to mess with the finish on both of them.

Now, Lets say, I decided to sell these 2 coins to my Wife- for 2 cents each
saying- its the real deal- buy it etc- knowing all the experts on this forum, even prior to Mike asking to see it, had determined it was post-mint.


I then post what I did selling the coins to my wife here on the forum, and all the experts say you just ripped your wife off, in reality, I did rip her off and that's really not slander- its a fact.


All I'm saying is- please listen to the experts on this forum- they know what they are talking about- its not about slandering or insulting anyone its about gaining knowledge from the BEST people in the field of numismatics!

Its not very pretty at times, but they tell it like it is and WHY its like that! I know I've been disappointed on many coins I posted only to find out
they were not great finds etc.

Ok! I'll get off the soap-box now! :)

Chuck.
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