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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I'll put it like this: the pictures aren't revealing enough to judge surface originality. But if this coin is original (and I know you know your stuff), then, based on the pictures it looks like a ms67 coin.
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Pillar of the Community
 Canada
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Sorry for the poor pictures, they are the sellers.
I do not own the coin.
Let me add that the coin is raw, not in a gsa holder.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Fake?
I ain't a Morgan specialist, but there is something not right.
In Memory of Crazyb0 12-26-1951 to 7-27-2020
In Memory of Tootallious 3-31-1964 to 4-15-2020
In Memory of T-BOP 10-12-1949 to 1-19-2024
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06/13/2018 02:01 am
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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It does look bit odd. Here is a blow up of the pic.  |
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Fake?
I ain't a Morgan specialist, but there is something not right. Hmmm.  What looks off? I posted this piece in the grading forum first, you guys have good eyes and attention to detail. And thanks Coconutjoe for enlarging the image. Posting this from my cellphone. Edited by hadleydog
06/13/2018 05:15 am
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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The light source seems to be coming from the top. Even with the light coming from an angle, the surface flow lines should show a cartwheel reflection, but here you see a lit top and dark bottom. It looks like the reflective chrome finish on car wheels more than a lustrous 133 year old mint coin surface. But it could also be the unique photo setup of the seller. The lack of any visible flaws in the surface is another concern. Looks suspicious.
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Rest in Peace
United States
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Fake. Examine the stars which are rounded at the tips in many instances.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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After Coconutjoe enlarged the pics, I can see the surfaces better. Looks fake.
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Rest in Peace
United States
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It is a struck counterfeit. Notice how the fields lack any sort of cartwheel lustre, looking more like a bullion round. Luckily, this is something the counterfeiters have not been able to replicate. These can even be found in counterfeit GSA plastic. You can post better images but I'm 99.99% sure I'll not change my opinion. Hopefully you are in a position to get your money back. I see now you are not the owner.
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06/13/2018 11:28 am
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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The ONE on the reverse does not look like a ONE on a genuine Morgan.
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Where is it for sale?
I'd like to know so that I can steer clear.
The surfaces look polished to me.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Something definitely not right.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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It is a struck counterfeit. Yes it is, and far superior to the really bad cast fakes we are used to seeing. It was discovered by another collector and I felt important enough to post here. The reverse is particularly well done, and the die was paired to multiple obverses and dates. There literally could be tens of thousands of them out there. Luckily for us, there is a clear marker for identification. The hit to the eagles breast appears on all of them.  Here are 3 others (1881, 1882 and an 1885) that all share the exact same reverse....   The counterfeiters are getting better, and we have been warned that the next wave coming through are going to be good. Really good. The TPG's are preparing for them now. |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Originally, Liberty's face just didn't look right to me, but that could just be the lighting. I then compared it to a few PCGS 1885-CCs and noticed the date was larger on the coin you posted. As I have little experience with these, I am not sure if that is an indicator or not.  In Memory of Crazyb0 12-26-1951 to 7-27-2020
In Memory of Tootallious 3-31-1964 to 4-15-2020
In Memory of T-BOP 10-12-1949 to 1-19-2024
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I then compared it to a few PCGS 1885-CCs and noticed the date was larger on the coin you posted.
Yes it is. As moxking pointed out, the stars aren't quite right either, and Dave mentioned the fields looking more like a silver bullion piece than a legit coin. All correct. There are enough tells on the obverse, but dang that reverse is far superior to what we are used to seeing. To think that they are minting them on genuine old U.S. mint presses that were given to China, who was to know? |
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