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Help With 1899 Morgan-New Pics, Close UPS

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 Posted 07/01/2008  12:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinguybrian to your friends list
Around XF.

Coinwhiz, it's an 1899P, which is pretty uncommon. Not an 1899O
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 Posted 07/01/2008  08:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SeatedNut to your friends list
If I'm buying it ... VF. Selling AU50. Ahhh and the truth lies somewhere in between ... XF. BTW Ziggy what's he/she trying to get for it?
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 Posted 07/01/2008  11:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ziggy9 to your friends list
Its part of a lot of coins that a friend has to move because they belong to his mother and she needs money for medical expenses. Most of the stuff is just junk silver but there are a few that are worth auctioning off. I will et what the market will bear and all goes to them I am not charging any fees, it is a friend after all.

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 Posted 07/01/2008  11:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinguybrian to your friends list
If you want to link to auctions, I would not mind taking a look.
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 Posted 07/01/2008  12:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinwhiz1776 to your friends list
Oops, I just doubled checked my books, and an 1899 Morgan dollar in VF-20 is worth anywhere from $125-$180. Congratulations! You have a fairly valuable coin!
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 Posted 07/01/2008  1:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ziggy9 to your friends list
It is not listed anywhere at the present as I was trying to get a feel for the potential value first
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 Posted 07/01/2008  1:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tights24 to your friends list
I'm thinking high AU to be honest. I think the "toning" is masking a coin that is almost MS. I think Seatednut is on the right track. The only reason I don't think it's MS is because of the way the toning evens out on the cheek and above the eyeto a flat gray. Otherwise, I don't see much variation in the toning in general. Above the ear seems to look fine to me honestly, as does the eagles breast. Hmmm, I stink at this game though.

Maybe some more Morgan experts besides Seated will chime in. Superdave, Bryan, Becky, et al.....
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 Posted 07/01/2008  1:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SeatedNut to your friends list
Tights24,

Thanks for the endorsement. I settled on XF due to the flatness of the hair and lack of any detail of breast feathers. On an AU coin I should be able to see the hair lines on the high points of the design. I nicked Ziggy's pic to highlight those areas on the obverse where the details are too worn for AU.


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 Posted 07/01/2008  2:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tights24 to your friends list
Here is a MS64 Morgan close up, which is why I thought this may not be wear per se, but the toning makes it look so. I would think there would be more difference in the toning pattern if it were true rub ya know. Hmmmph, don't know. Good debate though. I would love this one to be sent in just to see....

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 Posted 07/01/2008  2:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SeatedNut to your friends list
Tights24,

What year is the MS64? The 99P isn't known as a weak strike date. Also, you can see the dimples on the cotton boles on your example. I can't on Ziggy's.
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 Posted 07/01/2008  3:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tights24 to your friends list
Doah, it is a 1903 from Heritage in an NGC slab. I thought I typed in 1899. For what it's worth, I do see an 1899 that has almost the same weakness. I just think the toning is hiding an AU coin is all.

Welp, I don't mean to hijack your thread Ziggy, but I am learning more of the intricasies of grading this way. Thanks for the sample!!
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 Posted 07/01/2008  10:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
Honestly, I think it'd make AU50 except for the eagle's right (viewer's left) wing. Might anyways. With good pics and a good seller with a well-written auction, it'll fetch $200 on ebay.
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 Posted 07/01/2008  11:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinguybrian to your friends list
Yeah, I see the others point. It could be a higher grade with a weaker strike or picture depicting it a certain way. I'm not really good with Au vs Unc, as I've found out. From the picture, it does look like a lot of the eagle's breast is worn off though.
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 Posted 07/02/2008  07:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ziggy9 to your friends list
I decided it might be better if I posted some close ups of some of the areas in question

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 Posted 07/02/2008  07:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tights24 to your friends list
hehehehe. Those just confused me more, but I have never really "graded" from such nice close-ups. For some reason, the obverse looks like it has a lot of detail under that toning, and was solidifying my thoughts of mid-high AU, but the eagle threw those thoughts out. Maybe I'll just never be able to accurately grade these....The reverse makes me think high XF at best now.

Once again, I'll need the help of experts. But that's the nice thing about this place isn't it..

Oh, and thanks for the extra pics Ziggy.
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