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1999-P (Lmc) .. Nice Condition For Roll Hunting

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 Posted 07/13/2018  4:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add killians76 to your friends list
All is forgiven brother..
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 Posted 07/13/2018  4:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list
Alright. We will just forgot about what happened and move on. Nice find by the way.
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 Posted 07/13/2018  4:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add killians76 to your friends list
Thanks EaV. I am just gonna put it up as a keeper cause to me it's in great shape for me. I'll just wait and see if anybody else is gonna chime in with good news about it.
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 Posted 07/13/2018  6:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
Keep in mind the clashes we see on the upper part of the bays. A polishing would remove that part of the false column. Also the bar Hubbing affects the center of the design only usually on this type of doubling.
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 Posted 07/13/2018  6:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list
I do see Full Steps on it as well. It's in great shape and the steps are complete.
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 Posted 07/13/2018  7:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DrDon to your friends list
Coppergold:
In your first photo the blue arrow is pointing to a part of the column that is common to all the columns. Compare it to the column to the left of it. What the white fingers are pointing to is part of the design. Look at column eight to compare.

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Someone do explain to me how the design could stop two thirds of the way down,

Die wear or erased through abrasion. I grabbed a random LMC to double check and this same element on my cent only has the upper 1/4 showing.



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 Posted 07/13/2018  9:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list
Hey Coop, I didn't know about that at all. Thank you very much for sharing! So, the Columns actually get thinner from the die polishings? That's very interesting.
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 Posted 07/13/2018  9:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
Just like all devices. The more of the fields go away (the bay is also part of the fields) the thinner the devices become or just go away if the depth is too deep removed on the die.
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I could keep doing this all night.
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Thanks for all your info .
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@killians76

I agree that what you have on the far right column is part of the original design. Those "doubled" columns for perspective are very shallow on the die and quite susceptible to die polishing (e.g. to remove a clash, as said).

I believe that the upper and lower parts of that design element were polished away, and what you see is what remained of the original design. I don't believe it is a DDR.

@Coppergold

I sincerely hope you did not dump your finds into circulation. There is a lot to consider, even when examining a coin with something that appears to be easily explained. Personally, I try to leave a true DD as the final decision if no other, more reasonable, explantion is acceptable. In this case, potential die polishing and/or plating defects don't allow me to end up at the DD conclusion. (Essentially Occam's Razor)

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 Posted 07/13/2018  11:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add killians76 to your friends list
Thank you all for the input.. great knowledge to know. And coop, thanks for the time and effort on the pics. Still a keeper for the shape it's in. Thanks again every one.
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 Posted 07/14/2018  04:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add killians76 to your friends list
I know it's a subject that keeps coming up but wanted to show closely what coppergold and I thought we were seeing and I still kinda see it but you guys are the pros... red color arrows are the collumn in the back and the blue arrows are the ones in question. Looks to come out a little further than the original collumn that's in the back
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 Posted 07/14/2018  06:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 11997755 to your friends list
I agree with those that agree it is a part of the design. Like Coop said the rest of the column looks like it has been polished out. I have found several that look like this one, but usually I notice it at the bottom of the first column in bay 1.
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 Posted 07/14/2018  06:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add killians76 to your friends list
My point in where I was confused at is that when it is polished it takes the lowest point on the punched coin away a little at a time. If you dont mess with the depth of the design in the die then that part is original when its punched but what I'm seeing had to have been further down in the die to have been raised up higher on the punched coin making it "something extra". Why is it higher than the rest of the back collum (which you can see)if when you buff it it takes away the lowest point?
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When the high points are tooled and material is removed it brings the plane down to the elevation of the low point thus eliminating the relief. I.E The bay (high point on the die) is abraded down to the column (low point). The column in no longer an entity in that area and appears as part of the bay.
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