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Bedrock of the Community
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Have you sent him feedback yet. "I'd mention how the coin was doctored. Buy beware!
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Pillar of the Community
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No, I wanted to see what came of the coin after treatment first. But I will note in feedback that the coin was doctored, as that seems like the right thing to do.
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"If you climb a good tree, you get a push." -----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed." -----King Adz
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Just wondering if you can call ANACS,or any of the TPG's and just ask what to do if anything before sending it in? Nice coin by the way. John1 
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Quote: If not varnish, then a paste wax which should come off with a high astringent detergent as Wisk or other liquid clothes soap. Acetone may make it cake on and harder to get off, try detergent first. AND VERY HOT WATER  Thou shall not clean coins . 
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Spence, that was an interesting thread. Seems like a lot of good folks make a point to stay away from them, which is telling. While a whole lot of someones out there pay over book for their coins every week. From my end I would be in the stay away club, but when cherrypicking doubled dies I am far more lenient. I think my purchase of the 1924-S would have been a bad deal for a normal coin in that condition especially covered in goo. But for a DDO-001 in that condition that I have to treat somehow I am pretty sure I got my money's worth. My cost was $30 for the coin, and even if it is EF-45 that's a very good price for that doubled die in that condition. So, what's it look like now? It's still a pretty nice grade but certainly doesn't have that shine anymore.  
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Looks much better now. 
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Bedrock of the Community
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Nice looking for sure. I have yet to encounter a coin coated like this.
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Rather than guessing, I'd be curious to know the previous treatment or substance applied prior to tampering with it more. From BadThad Posted 12/20/2009 http://goccf.com/t/57008#447106Quote:
Whenever you have residue and want to try to conserve a coin, you should follow the solvent polarity ladder. Randomly trying different solvents is not systematic, it is problematic. You'll never figure out exactly what kind of residue you have and whether or not you'll be able to remove it by darting around. The goal is conservation and if you're not careful you'll cross-over into the evil world of cleaning.
Here's an except from my upcoming book on verdigris....but it applies here too. I also have an in-depth look at olive oil that should make for interesting reading. Quote: THE FIRST STEPS OF CONSERVATION
ALWAYS be aware that sometimes organic residues can be green and mistaken for verdigris. Just because a coin surface contaminate is green doesn't necessarily mean it is verdigris. Coins can be exposed to anything and everything during their existence. That green spot could be a very old piece of gum. For this reason it is recommended to first try what I call the solvent POLARITY LADDER shown below:
Wannabe Geek Note: Polar means a chemical has a negative charge on one end and a positive charge on the other end.
Very Important Note: Only use glass containers with a tight fitting lid for soaking coins.
TABLE 3: The coin solvent Polarity Ladder.
SOLVENT POLARITY Deionized or Distilled Water Polar Acetone Less polar than water Xylene or Hexane Non-polar
STEP 1: WATER
Water will remove many polar surface contaminants. On the Polarity Ladder we start with the absolutely safest coin solvent in the world. As long as soak times are kept reasonable, probably less than 7 days, distilled water will not damage a copper coin. When water soaking, be sure to change out the water at frequent intervals. The more frequent the water changes, the better. Remember, the water is dissolving unwanted contaminants so it becomes contaminated. Each time you change it you're throwing away the bad stuff. Always use distilled or deionized water for soaking. Unpurified water or tap water contains contaminants that may deposit on the coin defeating the conservation attempt.
STEP 2: ACETONE
Acetone chemically, OC(CH3)2 , is a very polar, organic, volatile solvent. High grade acetone can be purchased at most hardware stores. It can also be ordered over the internet in a higher grade like ACS (American Chemical Society) but at a much higher cost. It will remove many organic materials from the coin surface.
Warnings: Do not soak in directly sunlight and store your acetone away from sun. UV light can degrade acetone and produce some chemicals that might be hazardous to your coin. Never allow the acetone to evaporate while the coin is soaking or everything that was dissolved will simply be redeposited on the surface. Use high quality acetone only! DO NOT USE NAIL POLISH REMOVER! Acetone will dissolve plastics and styrofoam so only use a glass container with a tight sealing lid when soaking in acetone. Acetone is flammable; keep open flames away from it. Be sure to read the label and MSDS so you understand the hazards of working with this organic solvent.
A good test to perform before using acetone on a coin is to place some in a glass dish and allow it to evaporate. Inspect the bottom of the dish once it's gone and make sure there's no residue, haziness or sticky film. Any acetone that fails this test is impure and should not be used on a coin.
STEP 3: XYLENE
Xylene is what we call a non-polar solvent and it's completely safe on copper. It's important to use a non-polar solvent because it's the only thing that will dissolve some organic residue. If the surface debris is non-polar, chances are that xylene will be able to dissolve it. Remember "like dissolves like"! Do not over-soak in xylene or you may affect the patina, it can lighten a brown patina with enough time.
That is the process of stepping through various coin safe solvents before attempting conservation. If the green is removed, then it was most likely organic (carbon containing) in nature.
I'm adding if its a coin with potential high dollar value, think twice, then stop and think twice again. Might be best to let a professional do it. That said if one decides to go ahead. Start with a clean vessel. Some soaps can leave residue in or on the container surface. If doing multiple soaks, recommend a cleaned vessel for each attempt. Rinse coin with fresh distilled water after each attempt before drying. Try not to let the solvents evaporate dry on their own. Use a clean soft, microfiber cloth and lightly pat or dab dry. Never rub! This is how I would approach a coin that had potential value. Cruddy or most circulated coins is another story. They generally require less fuss. Forgot to mention gloves or no gloves try and handle the coin by the edge. Thanks, Doug.
Edited by Halo1st 07/17/2018 12:29 pm
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The anomalys around the perimeter are markers for this later die state. This is my earlier die state of ddo-001. It does not have the deterioration around the perimeter nor the filled letters in Trust but it does have the die chip in the 4 of the date.This is actually an unlisted die state. The S of Trust is probably the best pickup point for this die.  The coin Coop linked to is not DDO-001. It has the later die state rippling but no chip in the 4 of the date
Edited by stoneman227 07/17/2018 3:30 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
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It does look like the areas around the rim went away.
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Pillar of the Community
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This is an earlier die state. The areas around the rim had not formed yet.
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Pillar of the Community
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I meant to add that yours was an excellent pick TB !
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Thanks Stoneman. I'm pretty happy with the pick but I can't see it quite going AU so pretty much the same condition as the one already in my collection. This one has a few less light nicks so I am going to call it an upgrade. And let me know when you want to offload some of your 1959 002s as I'm blank for any of those RAW.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Nice coin all in, but not AU I agree. GSC is a stain on the hobby but there seems no way to counter them.
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