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I know Carr strikes use non-existent dates; what I mean is that the overall quality of this Morgan dollar is similar to Mr. Carr's top line efforts. Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890 "Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis |
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Quote:I know Carr strikes use non-existent dates; what I mean is that the overall quality of this Morgan dollar is similar to Mr. Carr's top line efforts. I can certainly agree with that as it does look superior to others for sure |
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The INITIAL startup of minting at San Fran was done with 10 dies shipped from Philadelphia in April of 1878. At "least" the first 10 coins were engraved.
It is known that those first 10 coins, as well as some others, were given very special treatment -- the planchets were polished and smoothed, the dies were polished and compounded to mirror finishes, and each coin was struck at least twice, or possibly as many as four or five times. [citation needed] |
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Messy, any idea how many days or weeks the San Francisco mint used the B1 reverse pairings before switching to B2 reverse pairings?
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It wasn't long, but there was also likely some overlap between the B1 and B2 reverses.
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A few references for information used in my post (not cited verbatim) -- along with a very small and much-abbreviated list of their qualifications. The 10 die pair information is from QDB (q.v.) Any errors in interpreting the source material below are my own and not the fault of the source. (In other words, blame me, not them, when I get something wrong) Berman, Neil S. "Morgan Proofs and Specimens." The Numismatist, July 2007 (author, numismatic researcher/cataloguer, dealer, and ANA member of 30+ years) Bowers, Q. David. "A Guide Book of Morgan silver dollars." Fifth edition, October 2016 (numismatist, author, and auctioneer, just to name a few) Coxe, John. Various posts on NGC Collector website forums regarding the Morgan dollar issues of 1878, particularly Carson City and San Francisco. 2006-2007. (SSDC/NSDR life member, SSDC Registry guru, author, and dealer) Lustig, Andrew "Andy". Various posts on NGC Collector website forums and USPatterns.com, 2006-2007, in regards to the Eliasberg Morgan dollars and branch mint proofs. Roberts, John. "A Brief History of the Morgan dollar". ANACS.COM (website), March 2007 (SSDC Board of Directors; one of the acknowledged foremost experts on all things Morgan; ANACS VAM guru/Director, Attribution Services; writer and author published in Coin World, to name but one example; former coin dealer; a great numismatic photographer and educator/speaker on Morgan dollars) Van Allen, Leroy C. & George Mallis. "Comprehensive Catalog and Encyclopedia of Morgan and Peace dollars". Fifth edition, May 2008 (the VAM book authors; researchers and cataloguers of Morgan die varieties, and the ultimate referee for attributions) Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890 "Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis |
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Absolutely gorgeous. I've been following the thread ats on this piece, and all I can say is wow. Would love to see it in hand, although the true-views are most likely pretty accurate. Again, one of the coolest Morgans I've ever seen.  |
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Hate to revive an old thread. Newbie here. Numismatic Student you stated the engraved piece might be considered the first one minted. Is there any material out there stating that? It would help me with something I'm working on.
Brian Hodge
Partner/President of Numismatics
Minshull Trading
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Brian, Since the engraved coin (1878-S) came from the Eliasberg sale, David Bowers of Stack's/Bowers would be the other person to contact regarding the engraved coin. Michael Fey has confirmed the second VAM60 (NOT same coins as the engraved 1878-S). http://neilsberman.com/pdf/news_Mor...ens_7_07.pdfThe article with the entire VAM hunt story in CoinWorld: https://www.coinworld.com/news/us-c...ece.all.html John Roberts is the attributer for ANACS in Morgan & Peace dollar VAMs. This thread promised some big reveal at the ANA at the VAM meeting, I was not there so can't say what the talk about was, for some insight see this thread, 78-slongnock towards the end of page 3 describes it great. Proof? We need more research hope it gets out there. A really fascinating story for sure. I would also suggest you might contact Jeff Oxman (Founder of the SSDC) as he is the hands down authority on 1878 Morgan dollar varieties, though on the San Francisco minted ones, he would know of your best go-to person for research. His site is https://www.vamlink.com/. He's usually at the Long Beach shows since he lives near LA. I see you are with Minshull so you probably already know all the people I listed. "Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440 |
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 to the Community, Brian Hodge! |
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Thanks Dave! I had forgot to include the link (copy & paste fail on my part) to the VamWorld link, where I mentioned the user 78-SLongNock. DOH!
"Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440 |
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What characteristics are there that make it a specimen, instead of a PL or DMPL? Very nice coin.
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Thanks Dave My pleasure..  On a side note, are you attending the TNA show later this month? |
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Pillar of the Community
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Dave, not sure, been back and forth to Arizona to take care of my mom a lot more often lately. Hope I can get at least one day there.
"Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440 |
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