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Pillar of the Community
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EF40
Just barely
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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Thank you both! I paid $15 and was hoping it would make at least EF.  |
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Just from the crown and the effigy (helmet, horse tail and dragon), I'd say VF+ tops.
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Thanks again all. Three replies and 3 different opinions on grade. Well that didn't quite work the way I hoped.  |
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Canada
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30+ yes, 40 maybe, AU not a chance. This series was extremely well made and does not grade the same as decimals, or even other colonials. Mint state examples appear almost proof like. See below (1854) MS65 Once you really dig in you'll see just how fine of detail these have, and how much is missing from yours (hence the 30/35 grade) Yours shows some honest wear, as do most of this series as coinage in Canada was in extremely short supply. 1850s were the lowest mintage, and saw the most travel, and so can be challenging to find in mint state (by challenging I mean expensive in comparison). 1852s and 54s had double the mintage and yours is typical of average condition. $15 might have been a tad high, but the difference between $10 and $15 is negligible. 1857s had the same mintage as the 52/54s but saw limited circulation as decimals were released a year later. Mint state examples are easily found and affordable.   Edited by Wade
08/08/2018 6:49 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I'd lean toward VF-30 or 35. Very attractive, but the wear is evident.
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Canada
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I see why some are saying VF+, but I'd say EF given the remaining detail with the sword. Or at the very least, it's similar to overs I've seen sold as EF,
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Valued Member
Canada
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Between VF-25 or VF-30. Courteau #078 / Rarity 3:Obverse: The figure «2» points to the left of a tooth around border. The man's left foot is fully struck. Generally with die crack through right rosette. In some cases two additional die cracks occur: One through left rosette and a curved one through letter « Canada». Reverse: The Union Jack outline below letters is heavy, only the upper part of St-Andrews cross frame shows below letter «tok En». With several die cracks, especially through letter «hal F» and through letter «toke N». In some cases only the former shows. ---------------- Here is a description of the grade VF-20/VF-25 for Half Penny and One Penny of this series. Sorry it's only available in French for the moment, since my book is still being written. Moreover, this description is not definitive.   I'm sorry if my English isn't perfect... I'm learning a little more every day.
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08/27/2018 5:32 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
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I'll stick with VF-35 tops. A beautiful example for sure!
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AINS,
while I agree the first coin shown is close to VF20 (personally I would give it a 15), the second example is well beyond the specified VF25.
I would have no problem tagging this a 40+, and on a good day low AU.
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Canada
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@Wade:Just a small precision, the gradation of 1/2 Penny and 1 Penny differs on several elements, this even if the design is similar. Example with the obverse of grade VG-8 for the 2 denominations, half penny to the left, and one penny to the right (Look for example the thigh of St. George):  Note: Sorry for the low resolution Since 2011, I started writing a chapter on the gradation of this series for one of my future books, and to date, although incomplete, I must exceed 60 pages of content.
At the same time, concerning your comment of «08/08/2018 - 6:47 pm», unless I misunderstood your comment, here are the real mintage for each denomination and year of issue: -1/2 Penny 1850: 1 500 000
-1/2 Penny 1852: 1 500 000
-1/2 Penny 1854: 1 500 000
-1/2 Penny 1857: 3 000 000
-Total: 7.5 million of Half Penny
-1 Penny 1850: 750 000
-1 Penny 1852: 750 000
-1 Penny 1854: 750 000
-1 Penny 1857: 1 500 000
-Total: 3.75 million of One PennyNote: About 1/4 of the 1857 issue was never issued because of the introduction of the decimal system in 1858.
I'm sorry if my English isn't perfect... I'm learning a little more every day.
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08/28/2018 01:23 am
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Pillar of the Community
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Courteau #078 / Rarity 3:
Obverse: The figure «2» points to the left of a tooth around border. The man's left foot is fully struck. Generally with die crack through right rosette. In some cases two additional die cracks occur: One through left rosette and a curved one through letter «Canada».
Reverse: The Union Jack outline below letters is heavy, only the upper part of St-Andrews cross frame shows below letter «tokEn». With several die cracks, especially through letter «halF» and through letter «tokeN». In some cases only the former shows.  To the CCF! Wow! Thanks for the info. Can you explain the rarity number? I have seen this often on other coins and never knew what it meant. How does this scale work? The higher the number the rarer, or is it the lower the number? Quote:
A beautiful example for sure! Thank you. I agree. I have asked for the obverse to be my new avatar but haven't gotten a response yet. Edited by MontCollector
08/28/2018 01:18 am
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MontCollector
Can you explain the rarity number? I have seen this often on other coins and never knew what it meant. How does this scale work? The higher the number the rarer, or is it the lower the number? The varieties rated R.1 or R.2 are relatively common, while those rated R.7 or R.8 are very rare, and R.9 or R.10 of the utmost rarity. I'm sorry if my English isn't perfect... I'm learning a little more every day.
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08/28/2018 01:18 am
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The varieties rated R.1 or R.2 are relatively common, while those rated R.7 or R.8 are very rare, and R.9 or R.10 of the utmost rarity. Got it. A scale of 1-10 with 10 being the rarest. That's exactly what I wanted to know. Thanks  |
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