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Rest in Peace
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Darn I hate to be 3rd . The first 2 obverse photos looks like the coin was lightly buffed up on devices , while the fields have something else going on . Cleaned and artificialy retoned  EF-48 details corrosion .  |
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It's definitely AU, but like T BOP, the obverse looks too shiny or buffed to me too. Could have been a simple cotton cloth wipe?
Pretty coin though, I like the reverse.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Very close to MS but not quiet. AU58 and well struck for an early branch mint Lincoln.
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Bedrock of the Community
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My first thought was AU-58. I am unsure about any slight cleaning attempts, though. It looks nice to me.  In Memory of Crazyb0 12-26-1951 to 7-27-2020
In Memory of Tootallious 3-31-1964 to 4-15-2020
In Memory of T-BOP 10-12-1949 to 1-19-2024
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Bedrock of the Community
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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AU-58, superb for this date/MM.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Very nice coin - I'm opposite of the rest. The 1927-S is a generally poor issue, this one is well struck. It's an attractive, brown coin IMO. It's a close call between AU and MS, it'd require examination in hand to determine.
AU-63BN
Edited by BadThad
08/14/2018 9:06 pm
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Valued Member
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Thad, I knew you'd come through.
At first, Ed said it's Unc, but I said AU. I was not yet intimate with the typical best examples of 1927-S Lincoln, however. While I studied Hi-res photos of MS grades, Ed studied the coin with a Hi-mag loupe. We later both saw each other's side on this, which has complicated things a bit. It is definitely not cleaned or any of those things. The surfaces seem "lackluster," but so do most MS BN versions, so.. golly..
This is what I told him: check for die flow lines in the recesses of the rim, and at the recesses where Lincoln's head meets the fields. Then follow the texture all the way between, and look for breaks in the texture. The luster breaks you see in the photos on the cheekbone and the temple are true; however, the die flow lines in the fields do CERTAINLY run all the way across the fields between Lincoln's head and the rims without interruption. The surfaces do seem quite smooth in general as the photos suggest, which is the reason I quickly dismissed this coin (and therefore triggered an investigation). I must admit that one thing I did first notice is how, in spite of the smoothness I first noticed in-hand, there is the presence of cartwheels. It's weird.
Assuming I've been paying attention in class: in spite of the high-point luster breaks, as long as the texture across all fields are unbroken this coin still qualifies for an MS grade, right?
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I see it as being cleaned AU-58
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No cleaning here...looks like authentic luster to me of a normal BN coin. AU-55 or AU-58. AU-58 BN more than likely, but I'm going to keep AU-55 in the air because even though I know these were weak strikes, knowing how TPG's go sometimes, the ear is kinda my suspicious that there might be just a bit more wear than an AU-58 coin would show off. Even though the reverse looks solid to me. |
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Assuming I've been paying attention in class: in spite of the high-point luster breaks, as long as the texture across all fields are unbroken this coin still qualifies for an MS grade, right? I am no expert, but in my view, if luster breaks are present, then the coin cannot be MS. Those breaks are indicative of rubbing as if in circulation and are beyond incidental hits. If there are luster breaks, then this is untrue: Quote:
...the texture across all fields [is] unbroken... In Memory of Crazyb0 12-26-1951 to 7-27-2020
In Memory of Tootallious 3-31-1964 to 4-15-2020
In Memory of T-BOP 10-12-1949 to 1-19-2024
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This issue takes a large price jump when MS..nice coin. I want to say AU58. I'd want to see this one in hand, before going any higher..but, ?. great discussion
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I am no expert, but in my view, if luster breaks are present, then the coin cannot be MS. Normally, yes, that is true. However, the TPG's see to make exceptions for poor mint quality. A prime example is the 1921-S. I've seen several mint state examples that were dull and devoid of cartwheel luster. In fact, I've seen quite a few 20's Lincolns lacking in the luster area but nonetheless mint state. Before and after the 20's it was all about luster in making a AU-MS determination. If both sides of the OP coin exhibit cartwheel luster - it's a bit of a nod to MS. Unfortunately, the coin is just not much of a candidate for PCGS unless you got it for really cheap. I definitely don't see is going higher than 63BN which PCGS values at $170. If you compare the OP coin to the pictures on PCGS, it seems to be in line with mint state. http://www.PCGScoinfacts.com/Coin/Detail/2582 |
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