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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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I believe that the question posed in that thread was which coin would you choose to crack out of its slab to be placed in an album. The majority chose the lighter coin (most likely dipped) since placing either in an album would rekindle the toning process, and the already heavily toned piece would eventually become terminal.
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  United States
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Yes, you folks correctly found the thread referred to in the op.
As to increasing toning, I can understand how "album toning" could continue indefinitely. How likely is a dark toned coin to get darker if slabbed and kept in a dry environment like the Arizona desert?
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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How likely is a dark toned coin to get darker if slabbed and kept in a dry environment like the Arizona desert? That really depends on how close to terminal toning the darkly toned piece is. The silver oxide layer that begins to form on every silver coin from the moment it was struck at first acts as a layer of protection for the original surface. Over time, this silver oxide layer (thick skinned, or toned depending on how light refracts through it) will no longer protect the coins surface, and the natural degradation process will continue. Dipping will not return it to its original condition, as dipping removes a thin layer of the surface.....eventually leading to diminished luster. Unless stored in a vacuum, there is no way to stop this process.....original skin will slow it, but not stop it. I have seen heavily toned pieces (not dark) remain unchanged for decades. My avatar is one.  |
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United States
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IMHO,I think it boils down to eye appeal and if you like toned coins. Here is a link to eye appeal I thought was a good read https://www.PCGS.com/eyeappealJohn1  |
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Australia
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When it comes to mint state silver coins,
I prefer blast white to any sort of toning.
That way, the mint luster can be fully displayed.
In other words, as if it just left the minting press.
That is about as original as you can get.
Nevertheless, any toning should never be disturbed.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Just remember there are different types of coin collectors. Some like toned coins, some like old coins, some like newer ones, etc. Some like US coins and some hate them. So many different types of coins, so many different types of collectors. |
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United States
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The thing that drives prices and liquidity a lot is quite simply eye appeal This is true. You should like what you like. If you find one coin more attractive than another then who cares what others think? You buy the attractive coin! If you collect based on polls and popularity you are probably not going to enjoy it for long. |
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United States
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The key to buying coins with orginal skin is eye appeal. Ugly dark toned coins with orginal skin are typically not wanted by most collectors. The attractive original skin toned is sought after by many collectors and will command a premium to purchase. I recall the Trade dollar choice of the two coins and the toned Trade dollar was on the strange side of toning. I started out collecting classic coins that look like they were just minted, and my taste changed to classic coins with orginal skin and eye appeal. I do like my Half Cents and large cents with orginal skin dark chocolate toning. |
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United States
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My favorite is the circulation cameo look on old silver, so much so that I only look for coins that have it. Dark fields and slightly lighter on the high points from normal handling long ago
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I like the toning on the Trade dollar, but as it was pointed out, the strike is far better on the other option |
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I like VF-to-XF coins that are dark in the low areas and show natural silver coloration from wear in the high areas. It gives them really nice contrast. This is usually best on Flowing Hair, Capped Bust, Seated Liberty, Morgans, Barbers, etc. ... IMO
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Edited by CaptainFwiffo
10/25/2018 12:25 pm
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United States
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A picture is worth a thousand words: And a thousand drops of drool.  |
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United States
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I can appreciate your confusion Sharkman. One wants to purchase coins that they themselves appreciate, as well as others, because you may want to sell one day. I think there is clearly a balance here. No one wants a bright white dipped coin if it is obviously worn at all (AU and under grade) because that looks wholly unoriginal. But overly dark toning loses eye appeal even on higher grade examples. Personally, I don't like the reverse on CaptainFwiffo's 44-S Mercury dime. Obverse looks phenomenal, but I find the toning on the reverse to be so extreme as to obscure the surface features. I've been considering this 28-D, which looks to be in AU grade but has some pretty significant toning on the obverse. Any lower grade on this and I know the toning would bother me, but on this AU it seems ok and with so many over dipped coins on the market, this is nice to see.   Based on the link that John1 provided (thanks!), PCGS would likely say this obverse has below average to negative eye appeal. [ https://www.PCGS.com/eyeappeal] However, I see hints of circulation cameo (llewellin had a comment about this effect) and at this grade it just looks so much more "original" than much of what is out there for sale. I like "crusty" coins like this because this just speaks to vintage-ness or antique-ness. Regarding the Trade dollar thread. I agree with some others that is is somewhat hard to compare as Liberty's head has so much more wear on the toned coin than on the un-toned coin. I think grade should be the primary consideration, then once you've settled on the grade you are looking for, toning/"original skin" is the secondary consideration. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I like custry coins, but the 28d is crusty with no eye appeal. If you ever go to sell the coin, it will have a narrow field of possible buyers. On the positive side, it does look orginal.
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