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See that "ridge" circleing IN GOD WE TRUST? That is a tell tale sign of a worn die. (also know as Die Deterioration), add the "doubling" with the letters and you get Die Deterioration Doubling - ( DDD) Darn, I could just have said  . Would be nice if an explanation was accompanied along with a vague statement so people can actually learn how or why things happen on coins. Edited by Mark1959
11/08/2018 11:14 am
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Would be nice if an explanation was accompanied along with a vague statement so people can actually learn how or why things happen on coins. I know, my explanation was pretty lacking. |
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It is called a 'Ridge ring.' Die breakdown and deterioration. Very common on the single squeeze obverses and reverse. Sometimes the ring alters the devices by pushing upwards and making some areas of the devices raised so much, the die polishing removes a center area of the device.
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Members only need to research the key words,DDD and worn die and Ridge Ring etc. That's how I learned. I also think that you retain the info better if you look it up yourself instead of me explaining over and over again. John1  |
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I also think that you retain the info better if you look it up yourself instead of me explaining over and over again. But John you have to remember - today nobody wants to work for anything including knowledge. Reading 20 pages to get a one sentance pinpoint answer ain't gonna happen. |
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John1's statement is correct, but Mark is a realist. People what the answer, not the explanation. Me? I'm more of a look at the picture and see what I see. Train the eyes, you train your mind what you are seeing. Eventually it starts to make sense. Seeing is believing.
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Okay, sorry, I'll include more info in future responses.
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That is how we learn. When we make a mistake and then to fix it going forward. The real mistake is to not learn, and have to suffer the kicks we give ourselves, for repeating the same error.
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Thank you all with all of your inputs. @coop, appreciate all the educational and informative materials you've been providing. I still have so much to learn and I know it would be a long process along the way. I thought Die Deterioration Doubling is more like or mostly like of an incuse doubling on the devices. My question is particularly on IN of IGWT where in there is what seems to resemble a bar line, having the appearance placed in a rear position interlocking on the top of I and N separately creating a triangle-shape like. I've read about Ridge Ring DDD but nothing similar on this one. Maybe you can share a photo similar to the inquired subject? It would be greatly appreciated. |
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Mark1959, John1, coop, All three of you are correct. I gets frustrating seeing the same questions over and over again. But then I have to sit back and realize it's "usually" a different person asking the question.
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 You can see the "pull-away" effect on the devices. Edited by SilverDollar2017
11/08/2018 2:16 pm
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A big part of learning is to read and to ask if you don't understand. I appreciate most of you for sharing your knowledge and as a beginner it has been a big challenge learning about numismatics. I never thought of it as a doubled die. I understood DDD and Ridge Ring , I got that when you've mentioned it. But, I must admit, the bar line interlocking with I and N confuses me. So, yes DDD can be raised (like the 1983 D JN) and incused. I am trying to learn and understand all the different terms associated with numismatics and am grateful to you all for sharing your knowledge and expertise...and to your patience mostly. Based from what I read and understood, is this then considered as Inside Abraded Die Doubling? |
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I appreciate most of you But not all?  John1 |
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@coop: Thanks much, appreciate it.
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