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For me, these new pictures, given their level of detail strengthen my conviction that this is a legitimate coin.
That being said, of course SG and precise weights and measurements are very much requirements of being 100% sure.
Note that SG measurements are very finicky, it is hard to be precise, so I only trust them marginally unless done with a tried and true setup.
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I must repeat - there is an absurd amount of varieties out there waiting to be discovered with early Russian coins. It is not a surprise to find new varieties only recently described after 200 (!) years.
Counterfeits of Anna rubles do exist but I do not recall seeing anything like this.
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Hi Dorado,
From the pictures the coin looks legit. Please understand the time of production: 1733
Back then the production of coins was still very primitive in Russia as they had only started to mint 'proper' coins since Peter the Great in around 1700. Before that time they would either counter-mark foreign coins or make wire kopeks from foreign silver.
As far as I know each die was cut manually, there was no 'master die' from which new 'working dies' were copied. Thus, the variations in design of the coin are normal and not a solid indication of whether a coin is legit or not.
From what I see:
- Color is right
- Patina look natural
- Wear seems even and natural
- Scratch has patination
- Edge looks ok
There are many varieties known of this type and this coin looks perfectly fine to me.
What did you pay for it?
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What did you pay for it? Thanks for your answer ... The coin is not belongs to me . Please read the full discussion : http://goccf.com/t/333258 |
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Edited by Dorado
11/21/2018 8:53 pm
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Dorado, sorry for the late reply, been away for a while. I don't understand why you're so concerned. It's a lovely coin, a huge number of varieties exist and dies were cut by hand, not copy/pasted by a machine. If in doubt spend 50$ and get it slabbed.
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Quote:If so ,read this ...and observe carefully ... https://www.m-dv.ru/en/monety-rossi...2/types.html I did look through the 1733 varieties in that link, and saw there is one described as "no brooch ... no cloak." These are the features that characterize the OP's coin. Maybe I am missing something? |
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Dorado, sorry for the late reply, been away for a while. I don't understand why you're so concerned. It's a lovely coin, a huge number of varieties exist and dies were cut by hand, not copy/pasted by a machine. If in doubt spend 50$ and get it slabbed. Quote:
I'd recommend authentication. If the coin was mine and I'am convinced it is authentic I will not hesitate to do it . |
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Did I miss where this thread mentioned how much the OP's coin weighed? That can usually be a good indicator.
NGC says 28.85 grams for this series.
And I'm guessing it was checked with a magnet?
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It looks a bit grubby but quite a decent grade....hope my one doesn't cause the same controversy.  |
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Wonderful discussion. Maybe I should post mine as well.
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Marbury, (my favorite basketball player of all time by the way), I don't mean to alarm but can you post pics of the edge.
There are some things in your example that don't look quite right. What is the weight of the coin.
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@Marbury
Overall there is not anything that screams "fake" to me. The portrait looks similar to others I seen, however the pattern of wear on the obverse does look somewhat odd. Also the reverse doesn't seem to have as much wear as the obverse. The irregularities of the planchet are typical and lend some credibility. The threes in the date are unusual. Every example I've seen Is a variety in some way due to the technology of the day. So I'm tending toward authentic.
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It came from a reputable auction house who deal in such coins regularly. I also note that the wear on the sash is consistent with NGC graded examples.
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05/23/2019 02:15 am
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