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Counterfeit -Vs- Genuine Challenge - Just For Fun, No Prizes - 1978 Krugerrand

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Going with the tail this time. ps everything about the coin wrong
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Allowing for photo scale, it appears that the fake Springbok is a fraction larger mainly at the rear (including the hair tuffs) then the real one and it is closer to the left side of the coin
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The tail is different, but not one of the things I chose to identify.

Kalaharirun keith12, you got the one I considered hard to find! The springbok is not positioned the same in regards to the springbok, and is indeed closer to the left side of the coin.
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Differences identified so far that I was thinking about:

1) The date #'s are different 1978 (mcshilling)
Yes, every digit in the date is a different shape than those used on the genuine Krugerrand.

2) The denticles on the fake are way to long (loonielewy)
Yes, not only are they too long, they are too separated.

3) Counterfeit lacks details under the Sprinkbok's feet (nfine)

4) Bottom legend font size is way too big on the fake (llewellin)

5) Krugerrand is too close to the rim (keith12)

6) The springbok is not positioned the same on the coin. One way this is noticeable is that one antler of the springbok "points" to a different place in the letters of KRUGERRAND. (Kalaharirun) (keith12)

7)

Differences identified that I did not include in the 7 differences I was thinking of are listed below.

a) Color is different.
When reviewing photographs, color is not a reliable indicator a coin is genuine or counterfeit.

b) No fur on the springbok.

c) KRUGERRAND uses a different font.

d) There are more denticles on the genuine coin than on the counterfeit.

e) The letters in Krugerrand are too close together

f) The over all size (diameter) of the fake is larger
It is not possible to determine if this true from digital images.

g) The springbok's legs are thicker.

h) Detail on (springbok's) rear leg different.

i) The (springbok's) tail is different.
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Thanks but that's misattributed to me . but we are getting closer
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Just one left!
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I'm going left eye this time
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Hello nss-52. What time zone are you working on?

I believe I know the last difference that you refer to however as I am in Western Canada, there is a 2 - 3 hour difference between east & west coast (subject to your location) times.

Based on what you have listed as your main differences I had spotted every one. I have also got numerous defences with the springbok and veld it is crossing.

I will watch the other postings later and if no-one lists it I will post my thought on the last big difference that I see.
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I am in the eastern time zone
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This is my thoughts for the last of your possible original differences.

As llewlline previously indicated the lettering on the fake (1oz Fine Gold) is larger then the lettering on the real, however the position of the "FYNGOUD 1 OZ FINE GOLD" letter is fractionally higher on the real one then it is on the fake and the "D" in gold is positioned lower on the real coin in relation to the veld grass, whereas the fake location the "D" is higher on the right side
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I'll take anything at this point and have no idea, so it sounds good to me.
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I have reviewed the responses, and have decided that one of them probably counts as a correct answer, even though I originally rejected it.

Differences I identified for this challenge:

1) The date #'s are different 1978 (mcshilling)
Yes, every digit in the date is a different shape than those used on the genuine Krugerrand.

2) The denticles on the fake are way to long (loonielewy)
Yes, not only are they too long, they are too separated.

3) Counterfeit lacks details under the Sprinkbok's feet (nfine)

4) Bottom legend font size is way too big on the fake (llewellin)

5) Krugerrand is too close to the rim (keith12)

6) The springbok is not positioned the same on the coin. One way this is noticeable is that one antler of the springbok "points" to a different place in the letters of KRUGERRAND. (Kalaharirun) (keith12)

7) The (springbok's) tail is different. (keith12) I was concentrating on where it met the back of the springbok making a more distinct hump over the rump. I suppose that is caused by the base of the tail.

Differences identified that I did not include in the 7 differences I was thinking of are listed below.

a) Color is different.
When reviewing photographs, color is not a reliable indicator a coin is genuine or counterfeit.

b) No fur on the springbok.

c) KRUGERRAND uses a different font.

d) There are more denticles on the genuine coin than on the counterfeit.

e) The letters in Krugerrand are too close together

f) The over all size (diameter) of the fake is larger
It is not possible to determine if this true from digital images.

g) The springbok's legs are thicker.

h) Detail on (springbok's) rear leg different.

As keith12 said, "everything about the coin wrong", yet people buy these, sometimes at a price that lets you know that they thought it was genuine.


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nss-52, thanks for the lesson and the fun..
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that was fun. whats next?
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