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1886-S Morgan Dollar Raw Grade Me Please

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 Posted 01/12/2019  07:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DoctorBurnzy to your friends list
Paul I'm assuming you were telling me yours is a known fake.....If not, I still hold out hope.
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 Posted 01/12/2019  09:49 am  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list
The obverse has good detail. The reverse is much less convincing. I am 95% sure you have a struck copy, possibly in 90% silver but a likely counterfeit nonetheless.

Here's a close-up comparison of the tail feathers.

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 Posted 01/12/2019  10:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DoctorBurnzy to your friends list
I am inclined to agree with you. That is a fake.
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 Posted 01/12/2019  11:21 am  Show Profile   Check nss-52's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add nss-52 to your friends list
Is it possible for you to take and post an image of the coin straight down and with better lighting?
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 Posted 01/12/2019  1:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add numismatic student to your friends list

Quote:
"looks like a modern copy"

Do you mean mine, or the OP's? I've had mine since the 1960's.


Referring to the OP's coin.
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 Posted 01/12/2019  4:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverDollar2017 to your friends list
I agree with nss-52, I would like some better pictures (straight down on the coin) with some better lighting.
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 Posted 01/12/2019  6:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DoctorBurnzy to your friends list
With the red flag signs and the actual left side of the eagle's wing die error...I 'd say say we both have fakes and no further testing needed and there's other signs
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 Posted 01/12/2019  8:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pauldog to your friends list
I posted mine as an assumed non-fake for comparison purposes. If someone can point out why I'm wrong, I'd like to know.

The weight is between 26 and 27 gm (my postal scale shows both numbers at different times), and the diameter is just below 1.5" (37.5mm).

The tail feathers look much better in person than in my photo. I went back to the original file in the camera, and the detail was muddy-looking there, too.

I just now shot at an angle, and it looks close to what I'm actually seeing in person.

DoctorBurnzy, I think it would help if you posted a similar shot for instructional purposes, using the "macro" setting on your camera.

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 Posted 01/12/2019  9:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pauldog to your friends list
Here's a closer shot of the wing on mine. What's the die error you just mentioned?



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 Posted 01/12/2019  9:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jadey to your friends list
@DoctorBurnzy
Have you reviewed your third post in this thread from 10:52 PM last night? I'm seeing a different coin.
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 Posted 01/12/2019  9:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jadey to your friends list
Pauldog's looks legit to me.
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 Posted 01/12/2019  11:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add llewellin to your friends list
I agree Pauldog's coin looks fine, with proper relief. The OP coin has relief that looks way too high to be real, but could this be an artifact of the lighting and camera angle?
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 Posted 01/13/2019  12:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pauldog to your friends list
The stars on the OP coin look especially raised-up to me, but the coin is also a weird blue color, and we need better pictures to get a handle on it.
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 Posted 01/13/2019  12:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pauldog to your friends list
"@DoctorBurnzy
Have you reviewed your third post in this thread from 10:52 PM last night? I'm seeing a different coin."


It IS a different coin, intended for comparison with the original one.

Is that coin really that bronze in color, or is it the light?
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 Posted 01/13/2019  12:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list
OP coin looks fake to me as well. After looking at thousands of genuine coins these Chinese fakes just have that not right look. Surface color and aging also looks typical for these. Weight is not always a guarantee as they are making counterfeits in silver now but charging more than the usual 1.50-3.00 per coin for the fakes. Pauldog's genuine coin helps point out differences in the details of the two coins.
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