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If It's Counterfeit, It's The Best One I've Ever Seen 1859 Sld

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 Posted 01/23/2019  10:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MikeF to your friends list
A venue is available but you have to have solid proof to get the listing removed. Just saying 'it's counterfeit' won't work.
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 Posted 01/24/2019  02:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oriole to your friends list


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Also, I just noticed that this is a 0-feedback seller, so I'd be especially wary.


According to the listing, the seller has 36,000 feedback.
I am not going to buy it, but it does not look obviously fake. The seller does call it uncirculated, which it is not of course.
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 Posted 01/24/2019  08:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list
As long as it is no longer available, why bother worrying about it?
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 Posted 01/24/2019  11:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
The lack of feedback alone would be enough to put me off, but I know that's not really the issue. In my case, a lack of knowledge about the subtleties of this series, the raw condition, and the washed out pics are enough reasons not to touch it.
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 Posted 01/24/2019  11:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverDollar2017 to your friends list
The pictures and 0 feedback would discourage me from considering purchasing this coin.
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 Posted 01/24/2019  12:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MikeF to your friends list
a close up of the date area. The bottom example is a PCGS graded xf-40.
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 Posted 01/24/2019  1:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MikeF to your friends list
None of the 3 obverse die types lines up to go through the second of the three bars in the shield. Strike one.
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01/24/2019 1:44 pm
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 Posted 01/24/2019  2:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Slider23 to your friends list
look at the lower stem of the Y on the OP coin. The lower stem lines up with the edge of the shield.

On the PCGS MS64 the lower stem of Y is not close to lining up with the edge of the shield.

The coin appears to be a counterfeit.

PCGS MS64
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 Posted 01/24/2019  3:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MikeF to your friends list
Great Observation, slider! The reverse seems to be unattributable. The first horizontal line of the shield is the only way to attribute the reverse dies. It depends on how far it extends beyond the first horizontal shield border to the left. But it's completely struck or rubbed out. Was this done intentionally?
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This is a example of one of the obverse die varieties.
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 Posted 01/24/2019  4:05 pm  Show Profile   Check nss-52's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add nss-52 to your friends list

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According to the listing, the seller has 36,000 feedback.
You are looking at the wrong listing. Look at the ended listing.
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 Posted 01/24/2019  4:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MikeF to your friends list
What are your thoughts on this one, nss-52?
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 Posted 01/25/2019  01:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kbbpll to your friends list
Tips of stars are missing left and right of the cap. That's enough for me. Why somebody thinks they're going to get a $1000+ coin for $300 off somebody who has never sold anything and has nothing else for sale is beyond me. Greed, I guess.
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 Posted 01/27/2019  5:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ballyhoo to your friends list
The jury's still out after looking at the many comparisons shown. Answering kbbpll's question, if it's a stolen coin the seller (thief in the event) probably wouldn't have a clue as to it's real value. Still, would not by it.
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 Posted 01/27/2019  5:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KenKat to your friends list
I do not have quite the expertise with these to do the great diagnostic sleuthing others have provided, but looking at this coin's overall appearance, I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole. Weak mushy details, an overall flat appearance with no toning or luster - it just looks off. Maybe they managed to get most of the engraving right, but no way it's real in my opinion.
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 Posted 01/27/2019  6:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MikeF to your friends list
Yeah, I couldn't find enough evidence to have it removed. You're also hamstringed because you can't do all the in hand tests and have to find proof based off the pictures. I was tempted to buy it just so I could run the tests. If was a counterfeit, I would have been able to send it back even though they offered no returns.

If it was a counterfeit it was a great one.
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