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Dr. William H. Sheldon, Ted Naftzger And The Large Cent Thefts

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 Posted 04/10/2019  7:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
Remarkable link, thanks!
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 Posted 04/29/2019  1:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Andrew99 to your friends list
This entire story was laid out in great detail by in Truth Seeker: The Life of Eric Newman. Its a book well worth reading. Newman was a key figure in uncovering the theft and getting most of the Clapp coins back in the ANS collection. There has been talk of redoing the Sheldon scale to remove that honor from a thief, but its too intertwined with numismatics to make that possible now.
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 Posted 05/01/2019  3:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list
Andrew99 - Yes a great book, I just wish I had jumped on the order sooner for a hardcover. Mark (friend at Heritage) told me there was a problem at the publisher and not as many hardcover books ended up getting printed, so it will be a classic book rarity in the future.
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 Posted 05/01/2019  6:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list

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There have been many scoundrels in numismatics through the years, but this one (to me) was the most disappointing of all.


Breen was much much worse
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 Posted 05/01/2019  9:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add joecoin to your friends list

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There have been many scoundrels in numismatics through the years, but this one (to me) was the most disappointing of all.



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Breen was much much worse


You are correct in that Breen was a much worse human being.
On a purely numismatic level, Sheldon disappointed me more.
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 Posted 05/02/2019  12:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TNG to your friends list
Well, I watched that whole video and never knew about Sheldon being a thief but I had known about Breen.

Oh what a tangled web we weave!
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 Posted 05/02/2019  11:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list

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On a purely numismatic level, Sheldon disappointed me more.


Personal issues aside, Breen still disappoints me more. So much effort has had to be spent disproving his made up "facts" that you really are kind of better off just ignoring anything by him because you have to double check everything. Generally this wouldn't be a big issue, but he was on a pedestal for so long people just ran with what he said and to this day some of his stories are still believed by many.

I certainly understand future research can disprove past research, but in his case it was more than good faith mistakes and making up things for money is the biggest sin a researcher/author can do in terms of work product
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 Posted 05/02/2019  2:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jadey to your friends list
Wow, I never new. I'll need to check it out. Thanks for posting.
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 Posted 05/03/2019  08:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add joecoin to your friends list

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...making up things for money is the biggest sin a researcher/author can do in terms of work product.


Worse than stealing the items you are researching and replacing them with lesser items?
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 Posted 05/03/2019  1:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Andrew99 to your friends list
^ No, but the worst of Breen's crimes had nothing to do with numismatics. Take away the pedophilia, and Sheldon was much worse.
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 Posted 05/03/2019  4:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list

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Worse than stealing the items you are researching and replacing them with lesser items?


In terms of overall and long term damage to the hobby I would say yes. The theft is obviously very scummy and deserving of a nice long jail sentence, but if we look at the overall impact on the hobby the made up information by what was supposed to be a respected researcher is still be debunked decades later.
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 Posted 05/03/2019  6:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add joecoin to your friends list

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Worse than stealing the items you are researching and replacing them with lesser items?


"In terms of overall and long term damage to the hobby I would say yes. The theft is obviously very scummy and deserving of a nice long jail sentence, but if we look at the overall impact on the hobby the made up information by what was supposed to be a respected researcher is still be debunked decades later".


I see your point, but the people whom Sheldon stole from may have a different perspective.

Regardless, there seems to have been a group of cronies at the time who had less than stellar morals. Even Saint Q David had a hard time coming to grips with reality when it came to Breen.

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wow - this is a really cool video, thanks for the share!
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Wow, this is the first I have heard of this. How disappointing
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