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US Trade Dollar - Fake Or Not? Help Please!

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 Posted 03/09/2019  4:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Slider23 to your friends list
At noted, the coin is a counterfiet 1872 Trade dollar pattern. Below is a photo of an genuine example, so you can compare your coin.
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 Posted 03/09/2019  5:40 pm  Show Profile   Check nss-52's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add nss-52 to your friends list
Not solid silver, merely thinly plated. This is a very commonly counterfeited coin.
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 Posted 03/09/2019  7:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverDollar2017 to your friends list
Definitely fake.
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 Posted 03/09/2019  9:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ExoGuy to your friends list

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The seller said he has received it from Asia and it is a silver coin with correct numbers, but he is not sure if it is fake or not.


Next time you visit this seller, carry a refrigerator magnet in your pocket. Silver's not attracted as such.
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 Posted 03/09/2019  9:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
Seems logical that one of these would have turned up in Asia after all this time.
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 Posted 03/09/2019  9:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
I didn't know such a pattern existed. (Not a U.S. specialist).

As such, I would have thought of it as some sort of almost valueless fantasy, and so would have been under the (wrong) impression, and would have bought it for a low price anyway.

Now that I know that it is a copy of a pattern, I would have jumped at it, but at the same low price, and would have been rather happy with the acquisition.
Why?
It is the only way I could hope obtain even a copy of a rare pattern.



I already have a rather extensive collection of 'black' coins for my own education purposes, in order to train myself in how to readily identify fake coins.
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 Posted 03/09/2019  9:36 pm  Show Profile   Check nss-52's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add nss-52 to your friends list

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in order to train myself in how to readily identify fake coins.
You can learn a lot about that just by looking at images. I do it every day!
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 Posted 03/09/2019  9:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
I look at lots of images as well, (that is what I am doing in this thread, look and learn), and have a few specialist books on the manufacture of fake coins. Learning how they are made certainly helps.

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 Posted 03/10/2019  12:51 am  Show Profile   Check 52Raymo's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 52Raymo to your friends list
$2.75 apiece, all you want.
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$2.75 apiece, all you want.


Too much. The magic bus!.
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 Posted 03/10/2019  06:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Aragorn78 to your friends list
Slider23, where are the design differences between my photos and yours? (I found such photos and compared with mine before writing here but didn't find obvious design differences, actually that's why I decided to ask here.)
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Definitely for me, a buyer at $2.75 apiece!
(Max. would be about $4.)
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 Posted 03/10/2019  11:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list

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Slider23, where are the design differences between my photos and yours? (I found such photos and compared with mine before writing here but didn't find obvious design differences, actually that's why I decided to ask here.)

There are plenty, but we'll give just one which is rather obvious to me: the flag. On the genuine, it's obvious that it's an actual flag, with the pattern of stars inside one recessed quadrant. On the fake, they're just stars, floating in space, with little or no evidence of any actual flag that the stars are supposed to be sitting on.
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Slider23, where are the design differences between my photos and yours? (I found such photos and compared with mine before writing here but didn't find obvious design differences, actually that's why I decided to ask here.)


This 1872 pattern is like a proof with mirrors that will have a solid strike. SAP makes a good point about the details of the flag, and the flag issue is not going to be from a poor strike. When I looked at the OP counterfiet, the first thing I noticed was the lack of details on the denticles on the reverse. Counterfiets often have the basic design of the genuine example, so it can fool the unexperienced buyer. As noted by SAP, there are more design issues on the OP counterfiet.

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OK, I saw it, thanks again!
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