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biggfredd, that is exactly my point- acetone will not function as a "dip", they are two entirely different things but apparently Carl is trying to give the impression that toning can be removed with acetone and that is just plain wrong 
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08/18/2008 4:21 pm
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Southern Yankee has a good point; toning is due to a chemical reaction between the coin surface and chemicals in the environment. If you can completely isolate the coin from further exposure to chemicals you can theoretically "fix" the level of tone. Complete isolation may not be possible, but a slabbed, naturally-toned coin kept inside a closed safe should be stable for many years. You can add protection by keeping a charged desiccant pack (silica gel) inside the safe to reduce humidity. Carl, if you have too many of those nasty toned coins (like that NGC Morgan I posted) just send me an email and I can maybe take them off your hands. That way you won't have to waste money on acetone!  . |
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Thanks for that bit of info. I'm not a slab man so I didn't know the long term affects of the coin being in the slab. I keep my albums stored in a ziplock bag and have a desiccant pack in with them but they still are toning. Hard to stop.
Not being able to see all the colors have kept me away from the heavily toned coins. Otherwise they might have appealed more to me. Anyways it saves me more money to spend on other coins.
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that is exactly my point- acetone will not function as a "dip", they are two entirely different things but apparently Carl is trying to give the impression that toning can be removed with acetone and that is just plain wrong
Not just plain wrong. It will work and has for many, many years now. Actually Acetone will remove toning sometimes and other times not. I just had a few Proof Lincoln coins that I purchased at the last coin show that had started to tone a decent amount. They were cheap so my first try was Acetone since it will not effect the coins. It did remove about 80% of the toning in a few minutes. I left them both in overnight and the next day they looked as if they just came out of a Mint holder. I've removed finger prints, dirt, toning, tarnishing on coins with Acetone many times. If that doesn't work after a few days, I normally just rinse with distilled water, blow dry and put away. Always remember that Acetone may or may not remove contaminations from coinage but will not hurt the coin either. I've experimented on cleaning coins with just about everything possible over the last 50 ot 60 years and I'll just stick to what I know works. And as to toning continuing in a slab, that all depends. If any slab is air tight, then very little to know more toning will continue. What some have done to make sure this doesn't happen is to use plastic types of glues on the edges of the slab to make sure they are air tight. Remember you need air or some type of gass to promote toning, tarnishing, etc. Toning will not happen in a vacuum either. |
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What some have done to make sure this doesn't happen is to use plastic types of glues on the edges of the slab to make sure they are air tight. You'll probably introduce more crap that will create toning by doing this than you save by sealing the holder. The reason kids buy such glues it to get high from the chemical reactions caused by the fumes. If the holder isn't already airtight, those same fumes will get to the coin, plus any reaction caused by the chemistry that the glue causes in making the seal. |
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Image:  hb497f.jpg75.27 KB here is one coin I was talking about it went for $160
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here is one coin I was talking about it went for $160 Wow! I like the tone, but I cannot see myself paying $160 for it. |
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Right, that escapes me how someone can unload that much dough on something like "purdy colors". Yeah, it's got eye appeal...but paying 8 to 10 times more than it's value doesn't make sense (or "cents"!).
What does the reverse look like? Same toning? Is it a Full Steps coin?
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Right, that escapes me how someone can unload that much dough on something like "purdy colors". Yeah, it's got eye appeal...but paying 8 to 10 times more than it's value doesn't make sense (or "cents"!).
Toned coins has become just one more fad lately where some toned coins are going for many times their actual value. There are even Toned Coin web sites that specialize in toned coins, how to make them, how to not make them, what causes them and just about anything else dealing with them. Some time ago a toned coin at a coin show was dismissed as contaminated. Today that same coin is now a precious item. That $160 for that coin is actually a great investment if this toned coin fad continues. And as to Plastic Glues, look into them. Many are advertised as fume free or non toxic fumes or safe for all inviroments. They are being made that way due to what was mentioned about kids usingthem for the fumes. Here is something scarry. If you go to Google and type in Toned Coins you will get 3,280,000 results. Edited by just carl
08/20/2008 7:20 pm
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In that case, I say we create our own fad. Let's get a bunch of 21st century dated LHCs together and soak them in Brake Kleen for a day or two, then try and pass them off as unusual and rare!
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Image: hb497r.jpg54.08 KB here is the reverse nothing special to me
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In that case, I say we create our own fad. Let's get a bunch of 21st century dated LHCs together and soak them in Brake Kleen for a day or two, then try and pass them off as unusual and rare! Do not forget the "basement" slabs for them!  |
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I found a rainbow toned 1955s penny in a roll this week. I thought the toning would decrease the value not increase it. How can I find out how much it would be worth?
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In that case, I say we create our own fad. Let's get a bunch of 21st century dated LHCs together and soak them in Brake Kleen for a day or two, then try and pass them off as unusual and rare!
Sounds a little funny but you just have to go to some coin shows. So many, many coins that I would never want are now expensive. At one coin show there is a dealer that has primarily error coins or so he says. Coins with a slight double line on the rim, slightly raised rims on Roosevelt dimes, Off centers that really need a good magnifyer to detect and a real lot of toned coins. I've seen dealers selling counterfeit coins for more than the real ones and are stated as such. I forsee toned coins labled as artificially toned selling for more than real ones soon. |
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