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1941 P LWC - New DDO?

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 Posted 08/10/2019  8:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
That is just Machine Doubling. Note the device is reduced. besides a doubled die is just not one device. All others in the same area will be affected the same or slightly different depending on what class of doubling it is.
Seeing a larger set of images compared with a to normal coins helped me to see what looked like Machine Doubling, was actually raised on the coin. A new DDO, unless Wexler has this one on his files but not on his site.
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08/11/2019 2:04 pm
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 Posted 08/10/2019  8:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pound_foolish to your friends list
If viewed edge-on, the doubling is not shelf like.
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 Posted 08/10/2019  8:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list
I don't agree. Doesn't look like Machine Doubling to me at all.
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Two considerations. First is the overall condition of the coin; wear certainly isn't helping. Second, I may give it an acetone soak to passively remove grime especially around the eyelid.
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 Posted 08/10/2019  9:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Evan7 to your friends list
Doesn't look like a typical doubled die to me.
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 Posted 08/10/2019  11:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pound_foolish to your friends list
Here are a few additional images. The more I look, the subtle and not-so-subtle evidence of hub doubling really has me puzzled. There is doubling on the inside of the ear (seen in original post, above ear lobe and below), there is obvious extension of the upper eyelid (below), and I can see doubling to the east of the first "T" in TRUST. I've added several images here but again they could certainly be better. I am operating at the limits of my instrumentation so perhaps I can send this off to one of the experts here for a better informed opinion.

1941-P-LWC---New-DDO?
1941-P-LWC---New-DDO?
1941-P-LWC---New-DDO?
1941-P-LWC---New-DDO?
1941-P-LWC---New-DDO?
1941-P-LWC---New-DDO?
1941-P-LWC---New-DDO?
1941-P-LWC---New-DDO?
1941-P-LWC---New-DDO?

Now, I completely understand the argument that most or at least more than one device is doubled in MOST doubled dies; however, consider 1934 LWC FS-101. ONLY one device is doubled (date)and even then it's only part of the 9 and part of the 3 in the date.
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The eyelid is clearly doubled in the same direction as the TY. I think it's a DDO!
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Nice find!
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 Posted 08/11/2019  4:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jim0815 to your friends list
I believe this is a legitimate DDO and here's why, there is a definitive split at the bottom of the Y. If it were MD'd there would be no split. When the die is loose and shifts it would have smeared the bottom of the devise leaving a solid shelflike appearance with no separation at the bottom of the Y.
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 Posted 08/11/2019  4:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list
I would have James Wiles or somebody to check it out for attribution.
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 Posted 08/11/2019  4:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Evan7 to your friends list
I see the eyelid, looks doubled but TY looks like MD to me, but I'm not as knowledgeable as you guys!

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Is James doing well? I'll gladly send it to him if he's able to attribute it.

It's exactly the spread on the bottom of the Y that started me down the road to documenting it.
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 Posted 08/11/2019  6:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list
As far as I know, James is doing great. He'll attribute it for 10 dollars plus shipping for return postage.
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 Posted 08/11/2019  6:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
I would submit images first to make sure the coin is worth submitting. If you want to send in the image I made, you can. That is what I needed to see in order to move ahead with this coin. But try to get images of the whole LIBERTY and other affected ares with space around the devices so if he needs to edit to see what he needs to see, that can happen. (in other words make easy for him and he will be able to get back with you quicker.
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 Posted 08/12/2019  10:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pound_foolish to your friends list
Thanks for the scrutiny and evaluations, all. Coop, on your advice I'll send James the best images I can assemble. Now I have to go through all those 1941 LWCs that are scattered in various LWC bags and piles to hunt down another example. I'm not too hopeful, as this one's been hiding for nearly 80 years.

I appreciate the thoughtful evaluations you've all offered. Very generous of you folks to offer your time.
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08/12/2019 1:00 pm
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