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Is MS-66 Really Worth 5 Times More Than A MS-65 ?

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 Posted 08/14/2019  09:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
That sums it up pretty well.
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 Posted 08/14/2019  10:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add llewellin to your friends list
The second coin looks five times as nice as the first one
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 Posted 08/14/2019  10:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John K to your friends list

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The second coin looks five times as nice as the first one


The second one MS-65 has a current bid of $675
The first one MS-66 has a current bid of $3300

Both are the tough "large 8"
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 Posted 08/14/2019  10:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add joecoin to your friends list

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Is MS-66 Really Worth 5 Times More Than A MS-65 ?



No.
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 Posted 08/14/2019  10:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DBM to your friends list
Not enough information.
Is one ten dollars and the other 50 dollars.
Is the 65 anywhere close to the 4 grand it should sell for?
Is the 66 at 20 grand?
And besides it ain't over 'til it's over.
Tell us what they actually sell for.
Right now it's about as pointless as discussing buy it now asking prices on ebay.
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 Posted 08/14/2019  10:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Greasy Fingers to your friends list
You know, I like the first one more, the crown "headband",beard and robe look so much more sharper...IMO
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 Posted 08/14/2019  11:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John K to your friends list
Wow _ I hope DBM is right!


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Is the 65 anywhere close to the 4 grand it should sell for?
Is the 66 at 20 grand?


Here is a "raw" one I bought recently. The "stuff"on the chin is just glare, not a defect. So am I rich?
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 Posted 08/14/2019  11:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add purelywasted to your friends list
If I am selling an MS 66, absolutely

If I am buying, nope
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 Posted 08/14/2019  12:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add okiecoiner to your friends list
We'll need a close-up of the ornamentation on top of the Reverse crown to see whether it is just a bow tie or a "cross and bow tie" If it's just a bow tie, then you're not rich but about $1000 richer. If the tie and cross, only a few hundred (US).
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 Posted 08/14/2019  1:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Earle42 to your friends list
This is the game the TPGs love. They make money from it b/c the more spent on a piece of plastic, the more masses will gamble to see if they can strike it rich over what is printed on a piece of paper. Slabs shift focus off of the hobby basics and create an artificial market. By artificial I am simply parroting what is wisely said here on CCF over and over: Buy the coin and not the slab.

The slabbing game has damaged the history/value of actual coins as a whole. Almost every coin used to have numismatic value based on mintage numbers and MM. Now the larger part of a collection is classified as junk silver and a few keys. The focus (especially for unknowing newbies seeing ebay etc.) is shifted onto a piece of plastic that did not even exist when the coin was made.

Want some concrete proof the label means little real life?
https://www.coincommunity.com/forum...y_ID=2967242

But don't stop there - do actual comparisons for yourself. It is not hard to find similar results. But...it's only solid, verifiable data.

BTW - I do not fault anyone who wants to play the registry game since a hobby is about fun. The way they enjoy their affiliation with coins is their own business.
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Costly TPG ineptitude and No FG Kennedy halves
https://ln5.sync.com/dl/7ca91bdd0/w...i3b-rbj9fir2
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 Posted 08/14/2019  1:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John K to your friends list

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We'll need a close-up of the ornamentation on top of the Reverse crown to see whether it is just a bow tie or a "cross and bow tie" If it's just a bow tie, then you're not rich but about $1000 richer. If the tie and cross, only a few hundred (US).


When I first acquired this beauty, I was told that ALL large "8" coins are bow tie only. Charlton only lists that option for the large 8. Mine is bow tie only but coin is in safe deposit box in Texas so cannot take a better picture.

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 Posted 08/14/2019  1:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add okiecoiner to your friends list
From that blurry photo, it LOOKS like a large 8 and worth some bucks. Since the coin LOOKS UNC, I would advise you to get it certified (although I hate TPG's). Or take it to a larger coin show and show it to a few dealers. I would protect it though, as the surface looks excellent.
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 Posted 08/14/2019  2:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John K to your friends list
I have encapsulated it and all my better condition coins in Air Tite holders. They sell albums that display the Air-Tites nicely. But I have a few high end Canada coins in slabs that I guess I will have to leave in those ugly holders.
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 Posted 08/15/2019  11:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DBM to your friends list

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Is MS-66 Really Worth 5 Times More Than A MS-65 ?
Now it's over.
The 66 actually sold for about 50% more than the 65
A far cry from the 500% suggested by the title.

John_K, your beautiful large 8 needs to go to PCGS.
Nice one!
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 Posted 08/16/2019  06:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John K to your friends list
A more realistic ratio.

$3960
$2520

I'll probably leave mine "raw". Looks nicer in my AirTite album. If I decide to sell, will just consign it to Heritage and let them get it slabbed.
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