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1921 P Morgan Silver Dollar Proof Like VAM Chapman Proof

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 Posted 01/07/2020  9:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fortcollins to your friends list
First,


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I have this beautiful 1921 P Morgan


Yowza! That may be one of the biggest understatements I've ever seen on CCF. That is one spectacular 1921!
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 Posted 01/07/2020  11:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Me103189 to your friends list
Thank you dave I just need to send it in I need carefully and looked closely I dont see. Its probably me ill ask PCGS to attribute the VAM there is an old coin wholesaler by my parents and I always stop in there. sometimes he has good stuff and he always gives me a good deal this coin was in a very old cardboard flip that said $22 the writing and flip were from an earlier decade and clearly not his, so I jokingly said "can I have this for $22" he charged me CA sales tax and I'm in to it for almost $24. Definitely my best coin shop find
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 Posted 01/07/2020  11:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinCollector2012 to your friends list
I could be wrong, but I'm fairly confident that its a counterfeit. At first, I thought it looked too good to be true, and the details don't match up with other 1921 Morgans I've seen. For example, the O in "Dollar" is too flat and the details on the coin overall seem too mushy and crude to be from the US mint. Here's a pic of a PL Morgan I found on PCGS for comparison...

1921-P-Morgan-Silver-Dollar-Proof-Like-VAM-Chapman-Proof

Anyway, I'm not trying to rain on your parade. I sincerely hope that I'm wrong and that you have something cool!
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 Posted 01/09/2020  09:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Me103189 to your friends list
I really don't think its a fake maybe its just the way the pic looks heres a few more there is nothing mushy / crude about the coin in hand the quality of the detail in it is what lead me to believe it could be a proof ill post PCGS true view pics after I send it in






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 Posted 03/18/2020  12:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Me103189 to your friends list

1921-P-Morgan-Silver-Dollar-Proof-Like-VAM-Chapman-Proof

If anyone is still looking at this post I just got my grades back from PCGS PCGS DECIDED THAT ITS AN AVERAGE COIN AND GAVE IT AN (MS63) PLAIN OLD 63 WHAT A RIP OFF I have looked at every PL 1921 I could find 63 64 AND 65 all in PCGS holders not a single one had mirrors as strong as mine luster as flashy as mine cameo as frosty as mine none had any attractive eye appeal BUT MINE IS JUST A PLAIN OLD $30 AVERAGE MS63 1921 Morgan silver dollar. I SHOWED THE COIN TO A FEW CURRENT AND PAST PCGS EMPLOYEES (NUMISMATIC EXPERTS) AND GOT A COMBINED OPINION OF MS64PL-MS65PL AND WAS TOLD I SHOULD DEFINITELY SEND IT IN. I GET THE GRADES THE DAY THEY ANNOUNCE THEY ARE CLOSING FOR 2 WEEKS.

THANKS FOR LISTENING TO ME RANT I KNOW THERE ARE MUCH BIGGER CONCERNS IN AMERICA RIGHT NOW. ILL PROBABLY CRACK IT OUT AND SEND IT TO NGC OR THROW IT IN THE JUNK SILVER BUCKET
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 Posted 03/18/2020  01:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westernsky to your friends list
I know it is the same coin you sent in but for some reason the original pics of the coin (blue background) look very different from the last pics of the coin (black background).

Strange.

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 Posted 03/18/2020  11:54 am  Show Profile   Check Zurie's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Zurie to your friends list
There are definitely quite a few marks on the fields and face that didn't show clearly on the earlier photos. I don't think it would be worth sending it to NGC for another opinion.
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 Posted 03/18/2020  12:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add collectinsince65 to your friends list
I studied a couple of pick up markers on all images. Same coin in each. No favors were given on the grading of this one for sure. Did you have it attributed as to which VAM?
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 Posted 03/18/2020  12:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list
I think it could have been MS64 based on the some-what looser standards I've seen for 1921's. The PCGS true-views really has it looking like cartwheel luster not PL surfaces.
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 Posted 03/20/2020  09:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Me103189 to your friends list
Thanks for the responses
Westernsky the pics with blue background where taken with good overhead lighting and my galaxy Note 9 the pics with the black background were taken with poor lighting and camera flash from my S7 with a broken camera lens.+ looks like I might have put a filter of some sort on the second group of pictures it was a long time ago I dont remember.

Some one here mentioned the coin could be counterfeit so I chose not to spend the money on the VAM attribution I may the second time around

I might send it to NGC not sure its nice and hate to see it just be looked over as a plain 63

I have an 1885 S that was in a PCGS AU58 holder that looked good for the grade so I broke it out and sent it in with this and came back UNC. DETAILS :/
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 Posted 03/20/2020  09:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Me103189 to your friends list

1921-P-Morgan-Silver-Dollar-Proof-Like-VAM-Chapman-Proof


These new tru view pics are great
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 Posted 03/20/2020  10:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list
That is a sexy '85-S...
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 Posted 03/20/2020  11:08 am  Show Profile   Check Zurie's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Zurie to your friends list
Did they say why the 85-S got detailed?
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 Posted 03/20/2020  11:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list
@Zurie on the PCGS site it says Unc Details Cleaned

https://www.PCGS.com/cert/39204973
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 Posted 03/20/2020  2:01 pm  Show Profile   Check Zurie's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Zurie to your friends list
Thanks, I guess I could've just looked it up! Hard to see any signs of cleaning on the pics.
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