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A New Image Format Is Being Introduced For Coin And Medal Photography

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 Posted 08/24/2020  5:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
Yeah, let's all try to grade a moving target too darn big for Forum hosting. It's a great answer, but the question is worthless. DLRC is gonna wish they hadn't publicized this.
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 Posted 08/24/2020  9:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rocky to your friends list
FITS format, question does your fit format program images have to be worked on at 16 G.
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 Posted 08/25/2020  03:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list

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ROCKY: FITS format, question does your fit format program images have to be worked on at 16 G.


I don't know what a 16 G is. 16MB or 16 bit or a reference to the next thing after 5G wireless maybe?

FITS file is fairly complex but well established and all the particulars are available to see here (for those interested):

https://fits.gsfc.nasa.gov/fits_documentation.html

I assume you are asking about working on files in a 16-bit space. The image pixels in a primary array or an image extension may have one of 5 supported data types:

* 8-bit (unsigned) integer bytes
* 16-bit (signed) integers
* 32-bit (signed) integers
* 32-bit single precision floating point real numbers
* 64-bit double precision floating point real numbers

A FITS file is comprised of segments called Header/Data Units (HDUs), where the first HDU is called the `Primary HDU', or `Primary Array'. The primary data array can contain a 1-999 dimensional array of 1, 2 or 4 byte integers or 4 or 8 byte floating point numbers using IEEE representations. A typical primary array could contain a 1-D spectrum, a 2-D image, or a 3-D data cube.

A FITS file is not suited for video files.

Some FITS files are quite large. I had a CCD camera that output a "32-bit (signed) integers file" where the raw file size on my computer was around 64MB downloaded and when opened in Photoshop or similar around 128MB+ and generally a typical astrophotograph would contain between 10 to 60 files combined. We stack images to reduce noise and increase S/N ratios, and correct issues like flat field, vignetting and chip defects with Flat Frames, Dark Frames and Bias Frames (many files made and combined into a Master of each generally) even more files when working on large mosaic areas of sky. It was not unusual to fill up close to a terabyte drive in an evening. Making our remote observatory too expensive to transfer data over our only option at the time; a satellite internet connection. Now we have regular internet service via fiber in the area and no longer need to travel to swap out hard drives, every few nights. That got old in a hurry. Satellite was fine for controlling the telescope mount and accessories, and uploading nightly target plans to shoot, just not for transfer of multiple large images. If you're interested in seeing it https://www.itelescope.net/new-blog...elescope-t33 We just removed this scope for a change, there will be another slightly smaller telescope up on that pier for the foreseeable future. This scope was moved from one of our remote test observatories in Texas to Australia where it's been servicing needs of astronomers over the past several years. The issues I described were all here in Texas. The iTelescope site Siding Springs in Australia is quite a robust and proven remote site with excellent facilities and internet. At the moment the status of this telescope is up in the air, we may sell it or ship it back to the USA, it's undecided for now. I digress enough astro talk back to coins...


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Bobby131313 That is indeed terrific, but it's a whopping 8.5MB That's enough to choke a lot of mobile devices. It's got 17 frames over a half MB each. Chokes mine in my town where service isn't the best. 50% of the traffic here is mobile.


So as to nuTilt files being large? I had no idea they were 8MB+ as I could not get anything beyond the small thumbnails to load properly, I assume it's some issue with my browser extensions or blocking software I use, but haven't had a chance to play with it yet. That would explain it then.

So far I was not impressed with the quality I was seeing either. Time will tell, I do think it's an interesting avenue to go down and a specialized file format that could become a standard is also interesting. I don't really want to see a dealer controlling the format.


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rmpsrpms: Many of us have been doing these animations for years. I guess the "new" is making an app so they can be viewed on a cellphone? Perhaps that will finally make this type of imaging popular, though I completely expect it to fizzle like the several previous attempts. Hope not though, as these animations do make it nicer to view the coin, and if the app actually works like they say to rotate "live" according to how you hold the phone, that would be super cool.


I really like your friends images better, and I agree completely with all you typed Ray! I bet they must be using some sort of fixed light source and a turntable with the nuTilt system to capture the photos, which would mean a proprietary setup of some sort would be required to be purchased? I'm just guessing, but it seems logical, and the only way to keep everything consistent.
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 Posted 08/25/2020  5:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rocky to your friends list
westcoin thank you so much for your answer. yes I have just started to work in that program. its very deep lots of information lots of tools. westcoin again thank you.
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 Posted 08/25/2020  6:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rocky to your friends list
westcoin here is and image taken in that program. this is a 1962 Canadian dime frosted. see the lacquer on the surface of this coin. this program is very exposing. nominally I can bouncing light on to the surface of the coin. that usually makes this invisible. not in this program it does not work. I am shooting through a sheet of glass. this program is incredible. it will take me a while to figure this out but I will. westcoin thank you good luck
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 Posted 08/25/2020  6:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rocky to your friends list
westcoin thank you, your photos are incredible. thank you again for sharing totally excellent
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 Posted 08/25/2020  7:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rmpsrpms to your friends list
I was able to get a couple to load, but the functionality was just basic animated gif stuff. You could slow it down or speed it up but otherwise it was pretty lackluster.

They are also a bit dizzying. It appears they are using Autofocus, and their lens "pumps", ie changes magnification a bit when it refocuses. While the animated gif is like riding on the Teacup, their images are like riding on the Tilt-a-Whirl. That 3rd dimension is really a problem. I already fed this back to them so hopefully they can improve. I also don't like the continuous rotation. @RonSanderson's back/forth animations are much more natural and less dizzying.
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 Posted 08/25/2020  8:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rmpsrpms to your friends list
Over on CU a new user @nuTilt just posted an image of a cellphone viewing the new app. It's interesting, though not ultra-exciting IMO.
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 Posted 08/25/2020  9:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rocky to your friends list
westcoin here is another image for you. this is a 2019 Canadian 5 cent coin. The nine the punch was damaged. if you look at the bottom tail of the nine. this one has a V in the trail. the lacquer is in the bottom of the groove. I wanted you see what I can do now, here is the image
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 Posted 09/15/2020  11:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cointagous to your friends list
David Lawrence coins has this Nutilt up on it's website. What is most notable difference to me are hairlines which become much more pronounced from it. Here is a good example of what I'm
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https://www.davidlawrence.com/rare-coin/1827270
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The light rotation on the DLRC website is way too fast. I just downloaded the nuTilt app on my phone, and I really like it. You can control the lighting by moving your phone slightly, just like holding the coin. There are about 1000 coins in their gallery to view to test it out, and you can really get a sense of the luster. The images are about 30 to 50mb each, and it took about 10 secs to download a coin to view.
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 Posted 09/17/2020  12:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nickos to your friends list
I really do not get anything from this nuTilt.

Do I see the coin better? Surely not. It's worse. I do not get the coin as it really is.

I can not see the use of it.
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Okay, I have to admit, the NuTilt images look pretty cool in DLRC e-mails. Just my opinion.
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 Posted 11/03/2020  3:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list
I grabbed the iOS app, it works really well I'm on a very fast Wi-Fi internet connection at home so it's loading in a second or so for each image, I'm more impressed as I use it, it's not perfect but it's way cool and does provide multiple images, plus being able to control the view through tilting my phone like it's a coin is a nice touch, it's almost like holding a virtual coin, not quite yet, but closer than anything else I've seen yet.
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I grabbed the iOS app ... it's almost like holding a virtual coin, not quite yet, but closer than anything else I've seen yet.
Impressive!
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