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Edited by BadThad 09/24/2020 4:29 pm
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This has been a fantastic read.
Anyone have an idea why the survival rate of 1914-D's is so low?
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Quote: I had more problems finding ones like the 24D in MS grades. Quote: The 1920's branch mint coins are scarce in high grades, and even RARER with full details. Well that's true. There are more "key" coins in terms of conditional rarity, but my main point with this thread was survival rates and initial mintages. Quote: Anyone have an idea why the survival rate of 1914-D's is so low?  No idea myself. Maybe someone else does though. Quote: if you post more of them for US coins I would be interested in reading them I appreciate that. I probably will if I find another topic that interests me and I think that should be covered assuming it hasn't already.
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Quote: The 1920's branch mint coins are scarce in high grades, and even RARER with full details. Much harder to find these than the SVDB. I was VERY lucky to find this on ebay. No question about it. I spent forever looking for a 24-D in uncirculated. Finally found an NGC 63RB after a long search - your's is even a nicer example. The 24-D was the third most expensive coin in my set, behind the 15-S and 09-S VDB (all in MS63RB). I can't bring myself to pay up for a 14-D in an uncirculated grade with some red - too rich for my blood - talking mid 4 figures. I have a VG10 in that slot, the only brown coin in my set. Probably going to stay that way unless I win a lottery.
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Quote: Anyone have an idea why the survival rate of 1914-D's is so low? My understanding is that the 1909-S VDB and 1931-S Lincoln cents were known to be lower mintage coins at the time they were struck/released but the 1914-D was not originally recognized as a low-mintage coin. So, collectors and dealers were able to stockpile the 1909-S and 1931-S coins which led to their high survival rates. The 1914-D did not benefit from the same initial "hoarding" and so fewer survived.
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I just subscribed to this thread.  !!
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Very interesting read. Survival numbers are the true gauge of rarity rather than original mintage numbers and this is especially true in the Morgan dollar series..
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Quote:Very interesting read. Survival numbers are the true gauge of rarity rather than original mintage numbers and this is especially true in the Morgan dollar series.. That's something I have a love hate relationship with. From the perspective of a numismatist I find it fascinating that such things can occur and the ways they occur as well. However as a collector in general, I can sympathize with the additional financial burden that creates. Quote: I just subscribed to this thread. Glad you liked it!
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Your analysis of the key date (business strikes) in the Lincoln Cent series is correct regarding the 1914-D vs. the 1909-S VDB. With all the public controversy with the engraver's initials on the reverse of the first year issue, and then almost immediate removal of the initials, the public hoarded the 1909-S VDB resulting in the enduring population of mint state coins in the numismatic market for years. As late as 1981 at the local coin show, a older couple came to the dealer table in the full roll of MS 1909-S VDB Lincoln Cents. The outer coins on either end were gummed up, but 2/3 of the interior coins were full red, pristine! We bought the full roll on the spot. Not so for the 1914-D and 1914-S with strong strikes! They're scarce! Incidentally, in the 40+ years of collecting mint state Lincoln Cents - I found the 1923-S, full red with strong strike the toughest!
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Quote: i would say the 1943 bronze cent as a key date You cannot claim the 43 bronze cent is a key date by the simple virtue that it is not a "date". It's an error coin. You could say the 43 Bronze is a iconic rarity to the series, you could say it's the crown jewel of LWC errors, but you couldn't say it is a key date.
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I have to concur with those in the 1926-S camp as I literally spent years looking for a raw one in AU-50 or better with just a little red on it to no avail. In addition to not being saved like the 09-S VDB or 31-S coins, the 26-S had lots of other things working against it - namely poor strikes and poor luster, with a lot of the coins having a "brassy" appearance. Not to mention, a lot of examples have obverses and reverses which look nothing alike in color. A few years ago I finally found a nice, evenly-colored, well-struck MS64BN PCGS coin which has a good amount of "normal" red on both sides. Definitely one of my favorite coins in my collection.
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 I say that the 1964 sms penny is a key date It's not an error coin! *** Edited by Staff - Please stop with the emoji overload, this is about the 10th post I've edited of yours. One is enough, you don't need 30. ***
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Quote: I say that the 1964 sms penny is a key date It's not an error coin! You're right, it's not an error coin, but it's not a key date either. The 1964 SMS Cent is effectively a pattern. Generally speaking any proof or specimen coins are not considered key dates as their low mintages would mean every single one would be a key date. TLDR Key Dates are NFC Business Stikes.
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