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our experience in a coin shop may bias you by exposing you to relatively more slabbed coins, but I suspect there are lots of raw coins out there in collections Quite possible, actually, very probable. Quote:
Actually the key date is the 1926-S in Red. And if you really want to get technical find a 1926-S in Red AND full details. The 1926-D is a close second. The 1923/4/5-S in Full details Red are no slouches either. True. Though my overall point was less about conditional rarity then number of overall survivors. |
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I'm going to guess the pop for the 09-S VDB is 100,000 +.
This is very interesting! I have some communications out
to some of the experts in the field for their opinions on
the total pop of these. I will post any replies.
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For what it's worth, here are just the ANACS populations in all grades:
1909-S VDB - 13,721
1914-D - 10,092
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I really liked this analysis. Thanks for posting (and if you post more of them for US coins I would be interested in reading them). I also agree with Pacificoin, in that the 1909-S VDB cent is "similar" to the 1948 CDN silver dollar in that it is a "money coin". |
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For what it's worth, here are just the ANACS populations in all grades:
1909-S VDB - 13,721
1914-D - 10,092 Wow. That's actually very interesting. That alone changes the survival %. That means around 1% more of the initial mintage of the 09-S VDB exist than in my initial estimate. For the 14-D that'd add around .7% to the total pop. Thanks for the info spruett! |
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Alright. I'll add my Two Cents. I think a real contender would be the next lowest mintage, the 1931s. With a mintage of 866,000, nearly double the 1909s VDB, PCGS totals in MS grades (BN, RB and RD) total 9451 vs. 19,671. About equal, but just under the '09. We also need to consider the popularity of the 1909 as being highly collectible by collector and non alike. The 1931? Few if any in the general public put these aside, so the survival numbers are less. That the U.S. was in the midst of the Great Depression also needs to be factored in. So all things being equal, and covering all grades, the 1931 s is lower. ANA member - PAN Member - BCCS Member There are no problems only solutions - the late, great John Lennon
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Most pieces of the1931 S Lincoln Cent remained unissued until 1935 at which time dealers and speculators were waiting to scoop them up by the roll and the bag from the Federal Reserve in San Francisco. Due to this unusual pattern of distribution, 1931-S cents are fairly plentiful in Mint State while being rare in worn condition. That is why the average grade of a 1931 S is EF or better . I will bet well over 80 per cent of the original Mintage still exists. The coin is hardly scarce! |
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 I've found at coin shows massive amounts of either the 09S VDB and the 14D. I had more problems finding ones like the 24D in MS grades. |
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Edited by BadThad
09/24/2020 4:29 pm
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This has been a fantastic read.
Anyone have an idea why the survival rate of 1914-D's is so low?
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I had more problems finding ones like the 24D in MS grades. Quote:
The 1920's branch mint coins are scarce in high grades, and even RARER with full details. Well that's true. There are more "key" coins in terms of conditional rarity, but my main point with this thread was survival rates and initial mintages. Quote:
Anyone have an idea why the survival rate of 1914-D's is so low?  No idea myself. Maybe someone else does though. Quote: if you post more of them for US coins I would be interested in reading them I appreciate that. I probably will if I find another topic that interests me and I think that should be covered assuming it hasn't already. |
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Quote: The 1920's branch mint coins are scarce in high grades, and even RARER with full details. Much harder to find these than the SVDB. I was VERY lucky to find this on ebay. No question about it. I spent forever looking for a 24-D in uncirculated. Finally found an NGC 63RB after a long search - your's is even a nicer example. The 24-D was the third most expensive coin in my set, behind the 15-S and 09-S VDB (all in MS63RB). I can't bring myself to pay up for a 14-D in an uncirculated grade with some red - too rich for my blood - talking mid 4 figures. I have a VG10 in that slot, the only brown coin in my set. Probably going to stay that way unless I win a lottery. |
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Anyone have an idea why the survival rate of 1914-D's is so low? My understanding is that the 1909-S VDB and 1931-S Lincoln cents were known to be lower mintage coins at the time they were struck/released but the 1914-D was not originally recognized as a low-mintage coin. So, collectors and dealers were able to stockpile the 1909-S and 1931-S coins which led to their high survival rates. The 1914-D did not benefit from the same initial "hoarding" and so fewer survived. Collecting history one coin or medal at a time! (c) commems. All rights reserved.
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