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194x LWC - The Case Of The Shrunken Wheatie

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 Posted 01/10/2021  09:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list
For sure it has lost a lot of mass, perhaps through an acid bath. However, the difference in diameter seems attributable to some other process, either spooning or a Dryer Coin. My thought is that we have multiple forms of damage here.
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 Posted 01/10/2021  09:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
I think Spence is right.
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 Posted 01/10/2021  12:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GBiscuits to your friends list
Dreams crushed, but Makes sense to me what Spence says. It's probably some deliberate monkey business in multiple ways. I do have a wrong planchet question for you guys though as it relates to a coin like this for me in the future.

When you have a wrong planchet error of a larger coin being placed on a smaller planchet coin, would there be a complete rim? Or would the die (for lack of a better word) "smoosh" one part or the whole of the rim based on where the planchet landed between the dies?

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 Posted 01/10/2021  5:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list
@gb, tons of good info on the error-ref website. See here for example:

http://www.error-ref.com/?s=wrong+planchet
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 Posted 01/10/2021  9:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add merclover to your friends list
Dryer Coin sounds logical, but I'm not completely sold on the idea. Spence is right with the acid theory, how some other process would be to be involved. A foreign planchet is a long shot, but who knows? I'd love to see what coop has to say about this coin.

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 Posted 01/10/2021  11:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Greasy Fingers to your friends list
Something in the back of my mind seems to re-call high voltage (energy) can shrink a coin..Thought I read about it here on CCF... but can't find anything from the search box.....maybe it was a dream..
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 Posted 01/10/2021  11:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add merclover to your friends list
I'd love to hear more about Greasy's theory, sounds interesting. Another thought popped into my head... what if this tiny cent is a poor attempt at a counterfeit? It has the look of a cast coin, plus the overall details are sorely lacking. Why counterfeit a common nearly worthless coin? Well, once upon a time a cent could buy something, and even this very crude bad example could easily mix-in with other coins. Maybe it has even fooled all of us?

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 Posted 01/11/2021  01:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Greasy Fingers to your friends list
Well, had energy been applied to this coin in order to shrink it, it would have a much smaller diameter...I checked out uTube and found a few videos and a link to a neat site..Check out Capturedlighting.com for many examples of shrunken coins.....talk about deflation..
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Greasy's


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Something in the back of my mind seems to re-call high voltage (energy) can shrink a coin.


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I'd love to hear more about Greasy's theory, sounds interesting.


Sends chills up this old man's spine.

Born in the late 40's, I grew up in the '50's extremely poor and housed in poor neighborhoods. An affordable rental for families like mine consisted of very old houses with very little recent upkeep. Electricity passed into the dwelling through a fuse box. If you were to take a modern screw-in light bulb, clear away all its glass and put a flat glass cover on the threaded metal base, it would resemble a fuse of that era. (The LWC pictured above would have seen around two decades of circulation back then.) Fuses blew their heavy filaments just as light bulbs blow their thin ones.

Problem was., many a family who lacked a spare fuse when they needed the lights back on discovered a solution: pull some plugs out of the wall sockets; remove the blown fuse and insert a LWC into the fuse box far enough to close the circuit. Most got away with it because wiring and fuses were a bit primitive back then. Just having too many plugs in the wall would blow a fuse. It seemed to me as a child, that fuses were made to blow in our old dwelling just as wheels were made to roll on the street outside -- and just as often. However, if a short circuit somewhere in an unfortunate family's house wiring was the cause of the fuse blowing, the "penny in the fuse box" would burn the house down often taking a child or a whole family down with it. I'm happier with the drier coin gambit.

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 Posted 01/11/2021  10:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Yokozuna to your friends list
Spence seems to have it right. I don't think this coin has been reduced in size as the portrait and other devices don't seem to be smaller. The coin is smaller, but there's no reason to think that an acid reduced coin can then get caught in a dryer. I think this coin may be a combination of the two types of damage.
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 Posted 01/11/2021  11:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Greasy Fingers to your friends list
@ Yokozuna did you ever get that large cent to fit into your pocket watch? (read in an old post)
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 Posted 01/11/2021  11:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GBiscuits to your friends list
Thanks for the thoughts and history lessons and to Spence for sending the reference page.

Outside of the astronomical odds of this not being a wrong planchet error and the clear Acid damage, is there something you all see in the coin that would preclude it from that being an option still? Just curious if there is another way to rule it out for good... before I toss it aside.
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It wouldn't have a full, strong rim all of the way around the coin if it were a wrong planchet error, unless the planchets were both exactly the same diameter.

The wrong planchet would have had to been the same size or smaller than the Lincoln Wheat cent to have been struck by those dies. The rims are formed by the metal moving into the area provided for them on the die, they are not a part of the planchet.

That's why most wrong planchet errors show no rims and can be slightly out-of-round on at least part of the resulting strike. Rims in this location on a LWC are impossible, so they must have come from some type of "Spooning" action done to the coin after it was struck.


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@ Yokozuna did you ever get that large cent to fit into your pocket watch? (read in an old post)


LOL! Wow, yes I did! It really looks great, but now the watch has stopped working. The coin even fits so well into the lid of the case that I can't remove it now.

I still have it around here somewhere in hopes of finding a similar watch, but the quality of this one is just too poor to even try to have it repaired.

I guess I could list the large cent as a rare error on Etsy, but I wouldn't even know how many thousands of dollars my modification added to the value.
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 Posted 01/11/2021  3:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GBiscuits to your friends list
The rim! That's what I thought. I appreciate it Yokozuna!
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