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i have coins where the scratch is way smaller than those on this coin and they detailed it. you said it graded straight so I would be happy with that especially with the other obverse scratches under the toning. AU58 or MS62. I'm leaning MS
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Pretty coin. Nice toning vs. scattered ticks. I'll go MS-61
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Looks AU-58 to me, nice natural toning.
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I'd give it the "it's mine" grade. It's a beautiful coin, you seem to love it, as long as you're happy with the price who cares what a TPG said. It's yours. You said it straight graded so it could be AU58-MS63 to my uneducated eye. I love the stuff around the obverse rim. |
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Here is the slab. I paid strong MS(61) retail (not dealer, unfortunately) money for this beautiful dime. NGC slabbed it as MS(62), which seems awfully generous. I am pretty sure the toning is natural--a family member left some silver US coins in albums for over 50 years and some of the coins toned like this, so AT would never occur to me here. In my humble and limited experience, the "scratches" seem like common bag/contact marks I see often on "low-end" uncirculated coins. The marks on the obverse, despite looking better in hand (than in the photo) beneath the luster and toning, seem to me more indicative of an MS(61) or maybe even MS(60), although I have never actually seen a coin slabbed as MS(60). I wonder why NGC called it MS(62)? Where is the line between MS(61) and MS(62)? In both the photos and in hand, I failed to see any wear, so I am curious why so several people called it AU(58). Is there some wear on the coin? that I am missing? One area (of many) where I have much to learn still is in the difference between AU(58) and MS(61-62) on Seated Liberty coins, especially the small ones.  |
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A big part of grading is surface preservation. There are dings in the fields and that scratch on the obverse doesn't seem to be just a bag mark. You've got a small scratch coming down from the ES on the reverse as well. One could argue slight wear or weaker strike seen in the head, which takes away a little of the detail in the nose, mouth, and hair. You can see this minute wear on the wreath as well on the reverse. All this considered they probably were on the fence between 61 and 62, but gave you the 62 due to eye appeal. She is a beauty and anyone should be happy to own this piece. Take your coin and compare it to the MS-65 ones from PCGS. You can see the difference.
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01/14/2021 12:19 pm
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NGC slabbed it as MS(62), which seems awfully generous. I'd be thankful for a 62 and leave it at that. |
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Here is a photo of your coin in 2005 with the same cert number. The coin sold at Heritage in 2005 and 2008. In 2008 it sold for $4600. Congratulation on your purchase of a beautiful example that was graded correctly. It appears that the coin was recently attributed O/O.  |
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Thanks, Slider23, for showing us this past photo of the coin. It seems that it has been slabbed by NGC for a while, and I am guessing it may have been in an album for decades before that. I got it for significantly less than that 2008 price and I love the coin--it will represent its type very well in my US coin collection. I am trying to learn to navigate some of the "gray areas" between AU(58), MS(61), and MS(62) more effectively, and I am thankful to this forum for helping me learn through experience.
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I am trying to learn to navigate some of the "gray areas" between AU(58), MS(61), and MS(62) when you have a heavily toned coin it makes it even more challenging determining the difference between these grades. having the coin in hand helps a lot as one cannot rotate a photo in the light, which in a lot of cases, is needed to see minor wear from circulation especially if its a high end AU58. for the MS61/62 it typically comes down to the eye appeal and number of surface issues, scratches, abrasions, small dings etc. on your coin I did not see any circulation wear based on the photos. I felt it was not strong enough for a 63 grade and not enough issues to drop it to a 61. therefore MS62 |
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Nice looking dime, I've always loved the Gobrecht no stars in the field look the best. I was a bit late to the game, but pegged it at MS61 before I scrolled down to post and saw the grade had been posted. I missed the O/O mintmark though.
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Just like with my 1796 dime, the dealer/ cofounder of PCGS suggested that I try to cross this coin into a PCGS holder. I said I would be willing to accept even an MS(60) grade, given the surfaces seeming just slightly too abraded to be a 62 for me (I would have guessed 61 for this coin).
PCGS also refused to cross this coin, again citing "Questionable Color." I still think it is an attractice coin, and I've heard people with more experience and expertise than me take both sides on this one, some saying they thought the toning was natural and some saying they thought it to be unnatural.
Again, I bought the coin and not the holder, but it would be nice for this type coin to be in a PCGS holder in a PCGS box with the rest of my dimes.
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That is terrible. Two disappointing results.  |
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The coin does not appear to have any wear. Love the toning. I collect 1/2 dimes and have several with similar toning. I thought MS 62 due to the eye appeal as well. These dimes, 1/2 dimes and 3 cent silvers from this era were so small that scratches like the one on the obverse are probably extremely difficult to see with the naked eye. Great purchase.
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