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1799 Large Cent Genuine, Fake, Or Undeterminable?

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 Posted 01/20/2021  4:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list
It's a fake (altered date actually). On all three 1799 varieties the highest wave of the hair is slightly right of the center of the R, an this one it is under the left edge of the upright of the R. also on al the 99's LIBERTY is distant from the bust, on this one it is down close.
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 Posted 01/20/2021  4:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list

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What does your boss say?


He said:

I have no idea


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 Posted 01/20/2021  5:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
I can just hear him.
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 Posted 01/20/2021  5:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ty2020b to your friends list
I have no idea, but that second 9 sure does look suspicious. Considering the condition of the rest of the coin, that 9 is pretty clear. Does look to sit a bit lower/recessed into the fields. If it was modified/tooled I would say it was done later in the coins life and didn't see a lot of heavy wear post modification.
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 Posted 01/20/2021  6:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
Agree, the color and sharpness of that 9 are noticeably different from the rest of the coin.
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 Posted 01/20/2021  8:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fortcollins to your friends list
@Conder101 nailed it.

It's a genuine 1798. You can see the small repetitive vise marks on the obverse above the date area. The line above the date is from heating the coin to alter and re-carve the date. (EDIT: the line isn't the base of the bust. It's the ripple between the base of the bust and the top of the altered 9.)

I guess that makes it a brand new garage version of the 1799/8.
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 Posted 01/21/2021  10:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Badger Mint to your friends list
photoshopped second 9
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 Posted 01/21/2021  10:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
I don't think GrapeCollects is into photoshopping coins.
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photoshopped second 9





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I don't think GrapeCollects is into photoshopping coins.



Seriously. I have photoshop but almost never use it (gimp is better). But no, this is an unaltered photo. Do I have the ability to "photoshop" a 9 on it? Yes. But I can edit a person out of a picture so...
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Blasphemy! Well what if Photoshop includes a patina/toning replacement next upgrade? Like sky replacement? That would be something huh?

I am in agreement with Condor101 as well. Besides, the second 9 is much smaller than the first 9, at least as far as I can tell. Fortcollins confirming settles it for me as well.

A 1799 would have been a nice dream though Grape!
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Blasphemy! Well what if Photoshop includes a patina/toning replacement next upgrade? Like sky replacement? That would be something huh?


Then I might. I've also become a lot more accustomed to gimp, everything's' been tuned to my liking. PS has a much better internal processing system for image manipulation and is runs smoother, no argument. But gimp's version of content aware fill is much, much better.


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Fortcollins confirming settles it for me as well. A 1799 would have been a nice dream though Grape!


Can't hurt to dream I guess. I think I paid like, sub $5 for this because I was 99% sure that it was a fake, especially given that the only digit visible was magically the last 9. Guess I'll give it away at somepoint, don't have anything better to do with it.
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 Posted 01/21/2021  8:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fortcollins to your friends list
@GrapeCollects, Hang onto it. That coin would be a great subject for a coin club talk.
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Yep I'd pay $5.00 all day long for the shot at the dream too. Not a bad price just for the old copper really.
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 Posted 01/21/2021  8:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list

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Just curious - is it silver?


Nope, just overexposed lighting.



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That coin would be a great subject for a coin club talk.


That's a good idea, whenever the club reopens...


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Yep I'd pay $5.00 all day long for the shot at the dream too. Not a bad price just for the old copper really.


That's basically the price for two lotto tickets, and the chance of it being real was probably better. Oh well. Interesting at least.
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 Posted 01/21/2021  8:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
Just kidding.
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