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Moderator
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Wow! That takes some dedication. 
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Yikes. Gives creedence to buying a TPG coin.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Albums and slabs can also be used to hide concoctions like this. Back in the late 1950's, the 1950-D Jefferson nickels were selling for $25 or so, apiece. I have an example of a 1950 MS nickel that was planed down and glued to a contemporary D-mint reverse. Unless a buyer pulled the coin from an album/holder and examined the edge, it would easily fool a buyer.
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Moderator
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Quote: concoctions At first glance, I saw concoctocoins. 
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3630 Posts |
Really scary! This is something easy to see with the coin in hand, but in the era of all-online sales due to COVID, the risk increases dramatically. Add basement slabbers in the mix, and it may not be possible to inspect the edge until it is too late. Coins with extensive die marriage studies have some level of protection. For example, any VAM mule is automatically on the no-fly list. Buffs, however, do not have that level of study, and are at risk. Making it worse, there are only two San Francisco mm varieties: a small "S" with a die chip in the top curl (1917 and earlier) and a larger "S" beginning in 1918. This type of clamshell fake could have been caught say for a 1913-S Type II with a post-1917 mm, but not from pics alone for a coin with proper mm style. I have to admit that with 45+ years dealing with Buffs, I would not have caught this fake from obverse and reverse pics. In hand? Yes. Obscured in a slab? No. This one makes me concerned. It's darned good.
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Rest in Peace
United States
18456 Posts |
All I can say is it's a good thing I only collect raw mid to high grade circulated coins . 
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Moderator
 United States
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Impressive effort by that counterfeiter. Indeed very concerning as it would have fooled many of us, myself included
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Pillar of the Community
United States
4680 Posts |
Obvious from the edge, but slap this is a counterfeit early gen TPG holder with no visible edge, matching a cert# to grade and that's trouble. Thanks for posting!
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote: At first glance, I saw concoctocoins. @ jbuck .... When I corrected my typo, I neglected to make it COINcoctions! 
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
5663 Posts |
Wow, this would be impossible to detect if you bought it in a slab and didn't break it out. I wonder how many of these creations are out there?
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Moderator
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Quote: When I corrected my typo, I neglected to make it COINcoctions! Even better! 
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Valued Member
United States
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Hey guys! Wow, thats wild. I bet that took a lot of time and patients. I hate to commend something as nefarious as this, but he did a good job. He didnt damage the coins' obverse or reverse. Its very scary though. Knowledge is key to not being victim of a scam like this. Honestly, If I could buy that coin for cheap I would. Just to show people as a conversation piece.... Just have to make sure I keep it away from my good coins! lol. I was wondering though, how in the world was that rim photo taken?
I'm new here to this forum. Also, pretty new to the hobby. Ive collected for years coins that were given to me or that Id find. But, its really been just more than a year now that I got to where I'm learning as much as I can, buying books, reading, and actually buying coins. So, please, bear with me. :)
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Moderator
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Quote: I'm new here to this forum. Also, pretty new to the hobby.  to the Community, element47! (I like the silver reference!)
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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That's why for higher priced coins I want them in a PCGS or NGC slab.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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It is such a shame that we as collectors have to consider everything fake until we can prove otherwise. No doubt that counterfeiting even occurred in ancient times but the amount of them in the marketplace today takes a lot of enjoyment out of the hobby. I suppose it can be rewarding to one's self however in honing your abilities to detect such garbage. Only hope is that you don't make a costly mistake. While TPG's may be the way to go for key dates and high dollar coins, even this is no guarantee since slabs are now a target too. Just my opinion.
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