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1878-CC Morgan Dollar BU Bought From Apmex Came Back AU-58? Why?

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 Posted 07/16/2021  09:08 am  Show Profile   Check Zurie's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Zurie to your friends list
APMEX is fine for bullion, but I wouldn't trust them to grade a coin.
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 Posted 07/16/2021  10:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TobyJ to your friends list
The lustre on the obverse is not amazing, but regardless... this coin is MS60 to me.
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 Posted 07/16/2021  10:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ty2020b to your friends list
With Zurie, I wouldn't buy anything besides bullion from them. Everything's Ive seen, coin wise, is overpriced, and usually lower grade than listed. Grading is subjective, APMEX may have seen this as low MS. They sort and go through so much inventory, mistakes also happen. Whether intentional or not, we'll never know.

If I'm buying anything over a few hundred bucks raw, I have to either:
1-feel pretty confident in judging a coin based on the photos listed, grade for myself, and hope I don't overpay.
2- buy an already slabbed, graded example, and STILL grade for myself, bc it's an opinion.
3- buy it raw regardless of price bc I like the coin and if I overpay, I overpay.

You are more than welcome to post pictures here for grade opinion BEFORE purchases.. we're just another opinion, but may help in the process.

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 Posted 07/16/2021  10:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Oldfordman to your friends list
Au58 due to minor wear.
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 Posted 07/16/2021  3:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list
photos are a little small to see everything. the 79(CC) should be sharp and bold and the eagle breast is mostly flat. looks like the luster is broken across the cheek. could be AU58 or MS63
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 Posted 07/16/2021  5:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jimbucks to your friends list
OP, what did you expect?
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 Posted 07/18/2021  2:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add suipakpaikungfu to your friends list
I'd also think about cracking it out and sending to NGC,
maybe you will get a low MS grade. No need to send it
back into PCGS with the true view, the grade will not change.
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 Posted 07/18/2021  2:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jimbucks to your friends list

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I'd also think about cracking it out and sending to NGC,
maybe you will get a low MS grade.

And maybe you will get an even lower grade as you rack up grading and postage fees. It is what it is. If you wanted an assured MS grade, the only way to get that is buy one already graded.

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 Posted 07/18/2021  8:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jaobler to your friends list
It does appear to have enough friction rub on the cheek in particular to keep it from MS consideration. Recent auction prices for AU-58 according to Coin Facts are at or below $300 for certified examples so it seems you overpaid for what you got. I'd return it if possible.

The only coin I ever bought from APMEX was a "VF" raw 1923-S Walking Liberty half dollar offered on ebay as a BIN. The photo was very nice but the coin I received was a different, less attractive coin which I returned. The seller used a stock photo but did not state that in the listing. Kinda soured me on APMEX as a source of raw collector coins.
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 Posted 07/18/2021  8:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fenton to your friends list
Looks 63 to me from the pictures. PCGS isn't perfect. I've seen on ebay prices vary from $100 to $500 for Morgan and Peace dollars with literally the same PCGS grade so the fact they called this AU-58 doesn't mean it won't fetch great money in an auction with good photos. Buyers love luster and will bid on the coin not the slab.
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 Posted 07/18/2021  10:40 pm  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list
It appears to be a commercial uncirculated piece. AU58 pieces often are, and on a higher dollar piece like this one, APMEX won't be selling you a Choice Mint State coin when buying a BU. A 61 or 62 is the best you'll get and 58 is often what you end up with. They are a bullion house. Don't buy collectible coins from them.
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 Posted 07/20/2021  11:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list
See this post I just made, exactly the same thing. http://goccf.com/t/404272&whichpage=2#3460024

It was an UNC coin in pre-1985 world, not today unfortunately.

I'm in full agreement with PCGS on this one. Check (link below VAM World)to be sure you don't have a VAM-24 or VAM-24A that could help you out if they are, more collectors want them and they have a slight premium.

http://ec2-13-58-222-16.us-east-2.c...1878-CC_VAMs
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 Posted 07/20/2021  11:47 pm  Show Profile   Check Tanman2001's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Tanman2001 to your friends list

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Check (link below VAM World)to be sure you don't have a VAM-24 or VAM-24A


Unfortunately, this appears to be VAM-22. This die pairing is known to have produced specimens with some extremely rotated dies which would also have a premium. This would be extremely noticeable when slabbed though so I'm sure OP would have caught that.

http://ec2-13-58-222-16.us-east-2.c...78-CC_VAM-22
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 Posted 07/20/2021  11:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add HappyHippo to your friends list
I don't buy a lot of high value stuff on line but, when I do, I always assume the grade is at least 1 tier below what they are saying. Even regular value stuff like buffalo and Liberty nickels, people take a very liberal interpretation of the grade. I used to buy bullion stuff from APMEX but it seems like they've become the highest price outlet.
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