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Real Or Fake 1854 Large Cent

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 Posted 01/14/2009  3:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RI AL to your friends list
The 1853 large cents were frequently copied, but I have no reason to believe your 1854 is not genuine.
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 Posted 01/14/2009  6:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
Where you guys are seeing red warning flags, I'm seeing a challenge. Accept that challenge. Numismatics is all about separating the wheat from the chaff, with the unique difference that we all have dissimilar opinions concerning what's "wheat" and what's "chaff."

So we have the additional challenge of coping with potential counterfeits. This is your opportunity to further your knowledge (and this hobby is all about knowledge). Most counterfeits are easily identifiable to a trained eye, so your job is to become that trained eye. You'll need the skill to correctly interpret photographs sometimes lacking in quality, and the discipline to walk away when the results aren't conclusive - or the willingness to evaluate and take a chance when you think it's called for.

These are skills which will serve you well in numismatics, whether there are counterfeits in the mix or not. I think we sometimes lose sight of just how important a good accumulated body of knowledge is to the pursuit of this hobby. Nothing in numismatics which is worth having comes easily - if you're just throwing money haphazardly at slabbed coins, you're an investor, not a collector.

Collectors sweat the details.

For the record, I'll be very surprised if Boris' coin is a fake. I'd have taken that chance without a doubt.
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 Posted 01/14/2009  11:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add soldier4Christ to your friends list
I received an email that it went in the mail today. I will post as soon as I receive it in hand and follow up once I get a chance to weigh it. I can weigh it at work (one of the perks of working for a pharmacy!) Does anyone know where I can get a good scale of my own...fairly cheap.
God Bless,
Brad

P.S. Like everyone here the suspense is killing me. I want it in hand now Guess I just have to wait
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 Posted 01/14/2009  11:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHunter53562 to your friends list
You can get a cheap digital scale on ebay...lol

http://cgi.ebay.com/3805-MINI-500-x...LE_W0QQitemZ400024442074QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item400024442074&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66:2%7C65:15%7C39:1%7C240:1318

Very similar to the one I use
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 Posted 01/14/2009  11:47 pm  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list
I bought a scale like this for under $20:
http://cgi.ebay.com/100-x-0-01-Gram...ew_W0QQitemZ a href= https://www.coincommunity.com/go/link.asp?target=https://www.ebay.com/itm/-/250307034555 target= _blank rel= nofollow 250307034555 /a QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item a href= https://www.coincommunity.com/go/link.asp?target=https://www.ebay.com/itm/-/250307034555 target= _blank rel= nofollow 250307034555 /a &_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72:1205%7C66:2%7C65:12%7C39:1%7C240:1318%7C301:1%7C293:1%7C294:50

Mine's a different brand/seller but these are great to have and for the price can't be beat.

As with any online purchase, remember to look for high positive feedback sellers with a good return policy. I pay through PayPal with a credit card for extra security.
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 Posted 01/15/2009  12:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add soldier4Christ to your friends list
Thanks... I guess what I meant to ask was what would be a good cheap scale? As I have never purchased one. Thanks for answering that question as well.
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 Posted 01/15/2009  09:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
I own this one (not necessarily a seller recommendation - just the first link I could find):

http://cgi.ebay.com/DIGIWEIGH-DW-AS...le_W0QQitemZ250354247019QQihZ015QQcategoryZ34088QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Great scale. You'll want 0.01g accuracy from whatever you purchase.
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 Posted 01/17/2009  12:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add soldier4Christ to your friends list
Finally arrived today! I haven't had a chance to weigh it as I haven't received my scale in the mail yet. I will hopefully get to weigh it in the next few days and will post what I find. Here is a link to some pics I took of the coin. See if this helps. Thanks again.
God Bless,
Brad

http://picasaweb.google.com/Coleman...t=directlink
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 Posted 01/17/2009  1:21 pm  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list
Nice images! Looks EF45 to me with a shot at AU50. The reverse looks AU50 with the obverse EF so you'll likely end up EF45. Sharp but get the verdigris off that baby!

Go ahead and verify diameter/thickness/weight vs. specification. I'm 99.9% sure you got an excellent deal.
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 Posted 01/17/2009  9:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list

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Here is a link to some pics I took of the coin.
Looks very nice!
I await the comments from the experts!
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 Posted 01/19/2009  10:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add soldier4Christ to your friends list
10.5g. So weight is in range!
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 Posted 01/19/2009  12:55 pm  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list
Nice deal!
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 Posted 01/22/2009  02:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add soldier4Christ to your friends list
Thanks for all the comments. How do I remove verdigris safely?
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 Posted 01/22/2009  06:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list

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Thanks for all the comments. How do I remove verdigris safely?


First of all, let me say that I'm speaking as a member in this post, and not a Moderator. My words do not in any way imply any sort of official endorsement by the Administration or Staff of Coin Community.

With that out of the way, you should know that a CCF member, BadThad, has developed a product called VerdiGone. He is a metals chemist by trade, with access to the chemicals, tools and knowledge to attack the problem professionally. He, and other members who have used the product, have posted some impressive results - VerdiGone appears to remove verdegris without adversely affecting the appearance of the coin.

Two caveats. First, verdegris can damage the metal underneath. If you remove it, there may be exposed damage which would be a red flag to a TPG grading the coin. Second, VerdiGone has not been "approved" by any TPG, and I have no firm knowledge that coins treated with it will not show something which would cause a TPG to bodybag the coin.

Do a forum Search for this product. Read the discussions. Draw your own conclusion.
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 Posted 02/04/2009  12:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add soldier4Christ to your friends list
So should I consider sending this coin off to a TPG or would it even be worth it? Should I just put it in a nice airtight and show it off now and again?
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